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Magnifica Humanitas

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Re: Magnifica Humanitas

#251

I wonder how many people read and heed the words of the Pope. I've seen letters like these for years now which sound good but I don't see any change in people after having read them.

I just messaged a few of my friends who I know are devoutly Catholic (and also happen to work in AI): 3 out of 4 are currently reading it this morning for their Memorial Day.

Re: Magnifica Humanitas

#252

> “Disarming AI means freeing it from the mentality of ‘armed’ competition, which today is not limited simply to the military context, but is also an economic and cognitive phenomenon” This is very on-point: capitalism-driven AI development as we have it today will always turn against the common good due to it's singular profit-motive. What a time: the pope having a much clearer picture of the risks & dangers of 'AI'…

I think while it's a very lucid comment, it's still too much reconciliatory for the position that the pope occupies. He should be advocating from a sustainable transition from the current capitalist/consumerist economic doctrine to one more centered on welfare and the care for the other, following his religious doctrine's moral values.

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#253

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Former Catholic. I left the church for a variety of reasons, one of which being the child abuse scandal. I am aware of the Catholic Church's long and often sordid history. What I am trying to say is there is no love lost between me and the Catholic Church. With that out of the way, the Pope is right. Knowledge should be used for the benefit of humanity and I don't think any of the big AI companies have our best inter…

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> It wasn't a pedophilia scandal, as around 80% of victims were post-pubescent male teenagers. It was a homosexual ephebophilia scandal.

Honestly pretty unreal to come face to face with someone from a history book.

Re: Magnifica Humanitas

#254
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The church was a great archive of knowledge for the longest time. They were the powerful few too.

And they hoarded and kept such knowledge for themselves and those who swore fealty for as long as they could, concentrating and maintaining power for centuries. Still, I agree with the pope this once.

That is rather incorrect. Most people in the centuries you talk about could only read a local language (where "local" could be anything from 5km² to 500km²), if they could read at all. Of course, for a long time, becoming a priest was the only way for the average person to learn to read Latin, but universities, both ones that were sponsored by the Church and ones that weren't are older than you think (14th century off the top of my head), with the Church frequently cooperating and patronising the non-affiliated universities as well.

Re: Magnifica Humanitas

#255
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No one who needs to read this will ever read it again. Reading is a trained skill. Requiring years, even decades, of training. It too shall fall to AI.

This Dust short, "The Greatest Lie" seems timely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gulzQIkwbJg

(at least the intro.. all in all I think it's a bit too long and some part of it kinda "cringe", but hey)

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#256

Good luck with that. Capitalism doesn't work that way. AI will make money for some companies, but as always, it will be on our expense, not for our benefit. We will get some convenient features, we will grow dependent, and eventually subscriptions will be squeezed as far as we are able to pay, advertising will take over, we will have less choice and worse service. By then we might not even have computers anymore, or…

Any good tickers?

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#258

Good luck with that. Capitalism doesn't work that way. AI will make money for some companies, but as always, it will be on our expense, not for our benefit. We will get some convenient features, we will grow dependent, and eventually subscriptions will be squeezed as far as we are able to pay, advertising will take over, we will have less choice and worse service. By then we might not even have computers anymore, or…

What point are you trying to make here, because your post is all over the place and never really goes anywhere.

The pope is not claiming utopia is possible. He is reminding the world of its moral duties within this scope. "Capitalism" is not a system that we helpless atoms merely get pushed around in. How good the world is depends on each one of us choosing to do our moral duty toward the common good. There is no "system" that will, without effort on the part of its citizens, straighten the crooked timber of humanity and relieve human beings of their moral responsibilities.

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#259

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So is the Church what ? That the Church must serve humanity or that it is the "powerful few" as some here are saying? In the first case, I claim that it has and that it does. I'm not sure how you can credibly claim otherwise. Only ideologically informed animosity could distort one's views here. If you know the mission of the Church, then I see no issue. Do members of the Church fail? Of course. Everyone does, and ind…

Everything you say apply to the AI. Even more so that there are very good open models which anyone can host and get almost exact same power.

Isn't that kind of the pope's point? That whether AI serves humanity or tyrannical interests is up to us?

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This was not an attempt at an argument, it was a sarcastic joke on how a lot of people are already dependent on AI, even on things that you weren't supposed to use LLMs for, but I guess I failed at it.

Fair enough, and kinda silly of me to assume so little of you. Is that really true though, that so many people are "dependent" on "AI"? In what way? I'd say the only people who really depend on AI are those who want to make money off it, and that's only half sarcastic. Would the people who now run it through an LLM (and who can read the output of an LLM but not the text itself?), have read it at all before? Would it…

It's almost a self analysis in my case, as when I saw the size of the text my mind immediately thought about feeding it into an LLM. Like, it's a text from the pope about AI, and my automatic reaction was to think about feeding it into an AI. What happened to me? And I think that happened to a lot of other people too.
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