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DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by akritid »

gaolei8888 wrote: post #200
jdboyd wrote: post #195

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I would prefer a coding agent to be somewhat independent of the model provider. Providers are trading off on quality, features, and price so frequently, and I don't want to keep changing my agent every time. I am looking forward to things slowing down and stabilizing. I'm not saying that should happen today, just I am looking forward to it.

I think this will happen much sooner than we thought. Maybe it will happen in next 6 months

You can take Codex today and ask it to rewrite itself to work with any API

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by odiroot »

Scarbutt wrote: post #39
ammar_x wrote: post #27

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You can use V4 Pro with Claude Code [1]. I tried it and it's impressive. [1]: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...

Surprised Anthropic hasn't done anything to restrict Claude Code from using other providers.

IMHO the ergonomics of their tooling are not great. I'd rather use Codex or even OpenCode. Configuration alone is very arcane with lacking documentation. Sandboxing/permission system is quite confusing too.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by customguy »

joewhale wrote: post #250
abyssin wrote: post #47

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It’s good and cheap, but don’t talk about politics to it or it might trigger some sort of censorship rule. You can see it think, then suddenly erase everything and suggest to switch to another subject, without explaining anything. I also had it output some sort of generic message about how the news outlets are in the service of the people. Both times I was surprised because I didn’t make any sensitive requests, neith…

do most people use llms to chat about politics?

"do most people use llms to chat about [specific thing]?"

No, of course not, why do you ask?

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Post by oceansweep »

raincole wrote: post #207
missedthecue wrote: post #204

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They haven't raised enough money to be selling at a loss. And selling at a loss to gain market share in an industry with zero switching friction between sellers is not a strategy. That doesn't make sense. Loss leading only works when - it leads to a situation that allows you to prevent competitors from selling to your customers (gilded age railroad and pipeline industries are great examples). Then you can eventually…

Yeah, cool theory, but they are selling at a loss. We know that because their model is open and available on other providers too. No other provider even sells a quantitized version of DeepSeek V4 Pro at that price. Also, in case of LLM, market share = more people uploading their whole codebase/legal documents/unfinished books/literally everything to your servers for you to use in future training. So the incentive to…

Didn’t the DeepSeek team release a paper documenting inference improvements that showed they were still making a profit even under heavy discount? Why would it be impossible for them to make a profit now, with a new model and more research?

Before DeepSeek, no one sold cheap tokens anyways and then DS showed the profit margins.

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Post by [deleted] »

jeffadelic wrote: post #212
seemaze wrote: post #36

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Perhaps unintentional, but I find 'bankrypt' to be a thoroughly interesting portmonteau. I'm not sure if it's when you run out of crypto, or when your bank gets hit by ransomeware.

Ironically you spelled portmanteau incorrectly. OP very well could have made a similar error for bankrupt. Maybe not, interesting to think about.

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Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by seemaze »

aqfamnzc wrote: post #213
jeffadelic wrote: post #212

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Ironically you spelled portmanteau incorrectly. OP very well could have made a similar error for bankrupt. Maybe not, interesting to think about.

I'll be honest, I carefully scanned your comment for a similar mispelling.

its misspelling all the way dwon

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Post by Mkengin »

chandureddyvari wrote: post #75
wolttam wrote: post #58

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The value of Claude Code the harness isn't that great. There's a lot of other good harnesses out there.

What’s your favourite harness? Is there any benchmarks for harness like LLMs have for swe verified?

There Seen to be more and more harness benchmarks out there, pretty interesting read:

https://neuralnoise.com/2026/harness-bench-wip/

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by polski-g »

SyneRyder wrote: post #246
maltalex wrote: post #189

This looks suspiciously cheap. The same model hosted by other providers is much more expensive [0]. So either DeepSeek can host it much cheaper than anyone else, or their business model is different. I suspect the latter, especially since their privacy policy [1] says personal data, including “User Input,” can be used "To improve and develop the Services and to train and improve our technology" . [0]: https://openrou…

Probably a dumb question, but looking at OpenRouter, are there really no providers outside of the US, Singapore and China offering DeepSeek? It seems like such an obvious thing for a European or other Western provider to offer. I'm sure it's a quantum leap ahead of Mistral. I'd love to give these models a try, but I'd rather not use a provider that trains on or stores my data (beyond standard legal requirements of co…

Crof.ai

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Post by SyneRyder »

polski-g wrote: post #258
SyneRyder wrote: post #246

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Probably a dumb question, but looking at OpenRouter, are there really no providers outside of the US, Singapore and China offering DeepSeek? It seems like such an obvious thing for a European or other Western provider to offer. I'm sure it's a quantum leap ahead of Mistral. I'd love to give these models a try, but I'd rather not use a provider that trains on or stores my data (beyond standard legal requirements of co…

Crof.ai

Just checked, Crof.ai links to "Nahcrof LLC", and the terms and conditions say "These Terms are governed by the laws of the United States."

Though to be honest, I'm not sure I want to trust business workflows to a website where the only contact is a Gmail address and no physical contact address. That site looks incredibly dodgy.

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Post by conception »

3s wrote: post #43
doctoboggan wrote: post #31

I am more worried about accidental data leak (agent reading env file for example) with the Chinese hosted models compared to the US hosted models. Am I wrong to suspect that the Chinese government might be more likely to scan all chats and save useful information compared to the US government or company? I hesitated to even post this comment as it sounds biased and xenophobic. I would love for someone to convince me…

It's not an unreasonable concern, which is why most US companies prefer to go with AWS bedrock, or even one of the AI labs, and typically request zero data retention agreements. But leaking is a concern no matter where it's hosted, it's just the incentives that change IMO. For example, the labs do scan every chat and train on data not covered under enterprise ZDR agreements. Law enforcement can request access to all…

Your pricing faq says “all models are listed above.” They are not. :)
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