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Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by f4stjack »

gonzalohm wrote: post #233
f4stjack wrote: post #127

Google does not hate us... it is worse than that - it is indifferent to us. Hate requires some sort of recognition. I mean this single incident may not mean anything but overall google is heading to an _interesting_ place. In short, it was state of the art but in 20 years it became just another conglomerate sacrificing quality for shareholder gain, I think? As a search engine, it does not work for me. I see promoted…

How do you use Kagi AI? I have been paying for their search service for a year now but I haven't looked into their AI offerings

Well, I have created several assistants for writing checks, the researcher module is really good and am using it when the need is there. It is expensive but the chained search queries it does is extensive and solves my problems so... that became something invaluable.

For the normal queries and questions though I use their cheaper selections from the normal screen. My go-to is Kimi usually and I like how, unless specified, the chats disappear in 24 hours.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by fanf2 »

gtfiorentino wrote: post #217
Cider9986 wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find DuckDuckGo's search results to be terrible. I use Brave search and I find it to be the best. I've also tried Startpage and I like it better than DDG, but less than Brave. DDG often has scam sites for example when you search for FMHY, https://fmhy.net comes up on all other search engines, but fmhy [.] click comes up on DDG. Same with "anna's archive" returning the fake site annas-archive [.]io.

We’ll take a look at those two sites, thanks for reporting. We’re actively working to improve how we detect and remove scam sites, and getting specific reports is very helpful.

It would be nice if DDG could get rid of the umpteen shitty wikipedia mirrors that clutter up the results.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by globular-toast »

f4stjack wrote: post #127

Google does not hate us... it is worse than that - it is indifferent to us. Hate requires some sort of recognition. I mean this single incident may not mean anything but overall google is heading to an _interesting_ place. In short, it was state of the art but in 20 years it became just another conglomerate sacrificing quality for shareholder gain, I think? As a search engine, it does not work for me. I see promoted…

"Don't anthropomorphise the lawnmower".

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by yegg »

kryogen1c wrote: post #227
yegg wrote: post #188

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Sorry you feel that way, pooploop64. We are doing a complete brand refresh this year though.

This has me absolutely howling. I use Bing at work for no other reason than sheer laziness, really. You've inspired me to return to DDG. Keep on keepin on, yegg.

Thank you!

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by tardedmeme »

pooploop64 wrote: post #203
siva7 wrote: post #151

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Nah you're not crazy. I also felt crazy when i discovered that some obscure censored russian search engine gives me overall better search results in 2026 than google.com

This is a funny (if it wasn't so sad) aspect of enshittification that was revealed to me through Chinese electronics. There is a line we cross where the lowest quality, most bottom dollar crap is actually better than it's actively malicious "premium" counterparts. It's like if a company spent billions of dollars creating the most perfect hammer that also happens to make itself bend to miss nails if you don't use the…

I think this way about Marginalia Search. It's just a search engine someone threw up for the sake of making a search engine and by the sake of merely not being crap it's actually pretty decent if the thing you're looking for is in its index set (lots of tech stuff). I think the most impactful thing is that it doesn't index seoslop.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by tardedmeme »

j2kun wrote: post #137
stronglikedan wrote: post #130

Content creators need to accept that traditional SEO is a thing of the past, because traditional search engines are a thing of the past. None of my normie friends use search engines any longer. They just ask the AI - anything and everything - the AI has all the answers they need. The best that any content creators can hope for in terms of engagement is that they were the quoted source and the user cares enough to che…

Public pressure campaigns work on companies, and this situation is thanks to Google.

When was the last time a public pressure campaign caused a company to give up making money? And Google in particular? The company that bans entire GCP accounts on a roll of the dice?

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by account42 »

mingus88 wrote: post #245
badc0ffee wrote: post #193

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I found that if I search Google Maps for a specific restaurant, it assumes I must just be hungry in general. Just now, I looked for A&W and also got results for Tim Hortons, Popeyes and McDonald's. Apple Maps never does that. Still, I usually use Google as I want an accurate idea of whether a business is actually open and what its hours are.

My experience with Google Maps is very different. We got burned so many times going to a closed restaurant that was open according to Google that we just use the listing to find the phone number now, and we call ahead I know it’s probably not Google’s fault. The owner needs to update their listing, but it’s just one more little thing adding up over the years to make me avoid Google altogether

> I know it’s probably not Google’s fault. The owner needs to update their listing, but it’s just one more little thing adding up over the years to make me avoid Google altogether

The owner probably never signed up for that expectation.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by kryogen1c »

yegg wrote: post #255
kryogen1c wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has me absolutely howling. I use Bing at work for no other reason than sheer laziness, really. You've inspired me to return to DDG. Keep on keepin on, yegg.

Thank you!

Upon further review, I was not in fact lazy. I've been DDG the whole time.

Makes sense!

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by righthand »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #109
righthand wrote: post #20

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Social sites should have all have a tree-based invite system. This would allow wiping out spammers and their enablers in a single hit. It would allow vetting of good actors too.

It doesn't solve as much as it sounds. - You can't vouch for downstream invites, so the tree aspect isn't useful. - It's not your fault if someone's account gets taken over by a spammer. - Just because you vouched for someone once doesn't mean you vouch for them in the future. - What should the punishment be if you accidentally invite a bad actor? - Your community has to be large and desirable enough for people to bo…

Apply whatever rules, caveats, and process you want. I never said an invite tree was an automated one stop shop solution. Just that it’s useful for identifying spammers and how they’re connected. Stop trying to design a single one size fits all solution for every problem angle and you will see rules and systems working together.
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