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Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by triceratops »

erelong wrote: post #236
triceratops wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does Catholicism have to do with "(American) conservative"? Some beliefs of Catholic faith are agreeable to American "conservatives" - "homosexuality bad, no abortion, no euthanasia". Others are music to the ears of American "liberals" - "help the poor and downtrodden, love the foreigner and everyone else, no capital punishment". But the church is the church. I don't see it as liberal or conservative. I suspect…

So to add to what you're saying here, a pope cannot teach error in specific infallible declarations on faith and morals, because then the whole Church would fall in to error. Ergo, some like St. Robert Bellarmine have argued for example if a pope were to teach heresy, he would immediately cease to be a pope; others have argued it impossible for a pope to ever teach heresy at all as this was something they believed Go…

The point I was making was

> [the pope] poses as "conservative" while pushing views strongly opposed to Catholicism."

is a nonsense statement.

The Pope is Catholic and he preaches Catholicism. The Pope doesn't "pose" as anything. Some of what he preaches sounds conservative or liberal or whatever. That doesn't matter to him. What he promulgates was already ancient when any political movement of today was born.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

ImJamal wrote: post #247
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #208

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Are you talking about the 40 years of 'death to America, death to Israel' calls from the Islamic Republican of Iran? The same regime that bragged 'we defeated/destroyed Persian culture/civilization' when they took over Iran?

Iran probably doesn't have the means to wipe America and Israel off the map while the inverse is not true. Somebody threatening to do something they are capable of is obviously quite different than somebody threatening something they cannot do.

Yet the Islamic Republic of Iran is the only one of those nations that bragged about erasing an entire civilization when they celebrated that they had 'defeated/destroyed Persian civilization' when they took over Iran. In their minds they have ALREADY done this once.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by erelong »

triceratops wrote: post #251
erelong wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So to add to what you're saying here, a pope cannot teach error in specific infallible declarations on faith and morals, because then the whole Church would fall in to error. Ergo, some like St. Robert Bellarmine have argued for example if a pope were to teach heresy, he would immediately cease to be a pope; others have argued it impossible for a pope to ever teach heresy at all as this was something they believed Go…

The point I was making was > [the pope] poses as "conservative" while pushing views strongly opposed to Catholicism." is a nonsense statement. The Pope is Catholic and he preaches Catholicism. The Pope doesn't "pose" as anything. Some of what he preaches sounds conservative or liberal or whatever. That doesn't matter to him. What he promulgates was already ancient when any political movement of today was born.

You're getting at the heart of the matter, try this:

Assume it's true "the pope [appears to be] pushing views strongly opposed to Catholicism".

How does a Catholic interpret that situation?

(Hint: See maybe pope Paul IV's "Cum ex apostolatus officio"?)

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by kelseyfrog »

lovich wrote: post #241
kelseyfrog wrote: post #240

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Jesus Christ dude. This is HN. Steelman or something.

Can you steel man these two statements for me in relationship to each other? > It makes celebrating their murders and assassinations just like so much easier to cheer for!! (Yeah, it’s a problem, but they can’t see it) > Mueller wasn’t some hero and I don’t need to like things Trump does in order to realize that the American left is running a dehumanizing campaign of their own eventual destruction. Nice WHATABOUT tho…

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Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by lovich »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #254
lovich wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you steel man these two statements for me in relationship to each other? > It makes celebrating their murders and assassinations just like so much easier to cheer for!! (Yeah, it’s a problem, but they can’t see it) > Mueller wasn’t some hero and I don’t need to like things Trump does in order to realize that the American left is running a dehumanizing campaign of their own eventual destruction. Nice WHATABOUT tho…

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You’re not going to enforce shit. Do you think that’s an actual enforceable agreement?

Are you the guy who wrote the subnautica 2 EULA?

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by triceratops »

erelong wrote: post #253
triceratops wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point I was making was > [the pope] poses as "conservative" while pushing views strongly opposed to Catholicism." is a nonsense statement. The Pope is Catholic and he preaches Catholicism. The Pope doesn't "pose" as anything. Some of what he preaches sounds conservative or liberal or whatever. That doesn't matter to him. What he promulgates was already ancient when any political movement of today was born.

You're getting at the heart of the matter, try this: Assume it's true "the pope [appears to be] pushing views strongly opposed to Catholicism". How does a Catholic interpret that situation? (Hint: See maybe pope Paul IV's "Cum ex apostolatus officio"?)

> "the pope [appears to be] pushing views strongly opposed to Catholicism"

According to who? It's a safe bet that a pope won't say "actually now you may covet your neighbor's wife" without a head injury or dementia being involved (in which case his staff would cover for him or he'd be retired somehow). That leaves questions of arcane doctrine that a regular Catholic simply isn't qualified to judge. They have the choice of leaving the church or staying and obeying as best they can.

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Post by boppo1 »

mistrial9 wrote: post #73
solenoid0937 wrote: post #38

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Maybe, but it went pretty damn well. The AI revolution will be a success if it goes anywhere close to as well.

too bad about Lake Eerie

Elaborate? Data centers using water or something?

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Post by analog31 »

graemep wrote: post #244
analog31 wrote: post #220

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Yes. ;-) Granted there are only so many countries, so it would be hard to see a clear statistical picture. And it's complicated by the fact that religion may be secondary to democracy as a predictor of well-being. But I don't know of a country right now (or a region in the US) where the influence of religion on governance is a cause for optimism about the future of democracy.

I can think of one quite easily! I am in the UK where the influence of religion on politics is very much positive IMO. For example, we have an established church that often speaks up for the poor, against war, etc. Religion is in the forefront of practical action: it is a disgrace we need good banks, but the religious took the lead in filling that need (I see the same around the world too). Also, historically we woul…

Indeed, I had forgotten about England. I'll have to think about it, because it was absent from my long list of priors. Here in the US, it's generally assumed that the countries "across the pond" are less religious.

The US is presently ruled by a overtly religious party that rejects church-state separation. Our President sells Bibles and prays in public with his cabinet. His party is supported by a predominantly religious electoral "base." And the influence of this system is not limited to one errant president, but has been systematically pursued for decades.

I hope that their ideas are distortions of true religious doctrine, but I can't prove it, and have no power to challenge them except in the voting booth.

I learned an alternate take on "give unto Caesar" which was that Caesar's money represented the wealth of this world, which is worthless compared to the infinite wealth of the spiritual world. The point was for Christians to remain aloof from earthly problems such as governance, which were expected to be temporary.

I don't doubt that religions promote virtuous ideals. And I don't expect religion to vanish, so if democracy has religious roots, those roots won't suddenly be forgotten.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

lovich wrote: post #255
kelseyfrog wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You’re not going to enforce shit. Do you think that’s an actual enforceable agreement? Are you the guy who wrote the subnautica 2 EULA?

Take about three steps away from the internet.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by lovich »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #259
lovich wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re not going to enforce shit. Do you think that’s an actual enforceable agreement? Are you the guy who wrote the subnautica 2 EULA?

Take about three steps away from the internet.

You first, cultist
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