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Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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baggy_trough wrote: post #243
tombert wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a lot less dumb if you can drastically reduce the launch costs AND drastically increase the launch mass and size. If the Starship thing works out, he will have achieved that. No, it's still dumb. No matter how cheap they manage to make SpaceX launches realistically, there's really no situation that a space datacenter makes any sense compared to putting datacenters in, for example, Antarctica. If they built in…

It gets you out of the reach of the suffocating regulatory states here on Earth.

If it's something that could even realistically be done, which again I don't actually concede based on what I said before, then maybe it would have slightly less regulation.

Or, and hear me out, Elon is just a drug addict who makes shit up based on his 12-year-old-boy fantasies because it sounds neat and investors just eat it up.

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Post by gamblor956 »

pj_mukh wrote: post #78
tahoeskibum wrote: post #30

Anybody read the article:"...that his lawsuits had been filed too late."

Wait but that’s the crux of his argument that he was “wronged”. Not “wronged but only once xAI started competing with OpenAI”. He can’t prove the former, if the latter is true. If anyone is/was truly still wronged by OpenAI changing corporate structure they are still able to sue and prove damages. Yet surprisingly no one has come forward on this.

Nobody else has come forward because the number of people with a potential legal claim for asserting any such harm was a small group of between 2 and 6 people, of which Musk was one (setting aside SOL issues).

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Post by gamblor956 »

artninja1988 wrote: post #39
2b3a51 wrote: post #9

Reached for comment by TechCrunch, Musk’s lead counsel Marc Toberoff said, “One word: Appeal.” One wonders on what grounds? In the UK, in a civil case like this, the judge I think comments on the likelihood of an appeal avenue once the verdict has been reached.

To any lawyers in here, is there an argument to be made for the statue of limitations not to apply here

No. Once the jury made its finding of fact as to when the event giving rise to the claim occurred (and to when the SOL clock would start ticking), the appeal would have to determine that the jury could not have reasonably made such a finding. It's very, very rare for an appeals court to overturn a finding of fact.

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Post by mustaphah »

tombert wrote: post #113
mustaphah wrote: post #31

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Extreme smartness has its own failure modes

I'm not convinced he's all that smart. Space datacenters seems like an unbelievably stupid idea to me, and I cannot imagine anyone who is ostensibly surrounded by tech seriously considering it. Well, no one sober anyway.

> I'm not convinced he's all that smart

We probably disagree on the meaning of "smartness"

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Post by lotsofpulp »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #219
DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #159

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Musk should have just made another company and then he’d have another 500 billion but he had that mistake and now it’s over. Then again we’ll see how well open ai does over the long term

I sometimes wonder, what does one need a second 500 billion that the first 500 billion is not enough for?

Because money is just a proxy for power, and the goal is not to have cash, it is to have power. Perhaps via being able to make decisions at various businesses, or being able to travel to a different planet, or being able to influence other people, etc.

Could also partly be a curiosity to see what one is capable of, or maybe wanting to be known for helming an organization that accomplishes xyz.

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Post by dragontamer »

fastball wrote: post #223
dragontamer wrote: post #167

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Well sure. But that's not AI chips or FSD. The subject of this whole topic. Within this realm of AI, Musk has constantly invested and failed. Dojo, xAI, Grok. His newest idea is leveraging SpaceX money to put data centers in Space. Good luck with that.

Your previous comment was clearly not constraining itself to the realm of AI chips / FSD. Regardless: How do you measure Dojo, xAI, and Grok being failures? Dojo is training models for FSD, which is in operation today. The chips in Tesla cars are also taped in-house / vertically integrated, a lot of which is presumably shared investment with the chips needed for the Dojo training side specifically. Separating xAI fro…

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-shuts-down-dojo-ai-2219...

Dojo is shutdown dude. Literally doing nothing but rotting. After spending $Billions on a custom chip, Tesla is now just buying NVidia chips and wasting their Dojo efforts entirely

Team dismantled. Operations closed. Game over.

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A similar event is playing out with xAI. Operations are transferring over to SpaceX. Out of money, out of time. They're going to try to grab more money (possibly illegally) across Musks enterprises but there's some severe legal questions on the legality of these moves.

It's already sketchy as all hell that xAI bought Tesla's GPU fleet. Now SpaceX is buying it up under doubious circumstances.

Whatever is going on with xAI / Twitter is now clear. It's not possible for it to stand on its own two feet and needs external investors to continue to survive.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by tombert »

mustaphah wrote: post #255
tombert wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not convinced he's all that smart. Space datacenters seems like an unbelievably stupid idea to me, and I cannot imagine anyone who is ostensibly surrounded by tech seriously considering it. Well, no one sober anyway.

> I'm not convinced he's all that smart We probably disagree on the meaning of "smartness"

I'm not even sure I'm willing to concede he's smart by any definition of the word.

I guess he's good at making shit up and making his investors forget his failed promises? I guess that requires some level of intelligence.

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