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Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by pocksuppet »

kavok wrote: post #210
pocksuppet wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a drug dealer is outside the entrance of your home you can avoid it by not leaving your home. What if every time you turn on the computer it shows objectionable content? It's easily avoidable by not turning on the computer. Same argument. Is it a reasonable one?

Something must be wrong with your computer. I don't see objectionable content when I turn mine on? I'd have to actively seek out objectionable content and I don't even have any sort of filtering or parental controls enabled on my own devices.

I do, it asks me to log in with a Microsoft account and thereby give all my personal data to Microsoft.

Actually not, since I use Linux, but most people's do. It's much worse on my phone.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by fn-mote »

vedaba wrote: post #252
pretzel5297 wrote: post #74

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I do criticize where individualism and those kinds of societies have gone wrong, but I also think it's going to be very hard for a parent to control that.

A single parent, definitely.

A group of parents? I’m more hoepeful.

(In my country,) There are many levels of government between the individual and the nation. Sometimes that is a curse. But sometimes change needs to start locally. This is an excellent example.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by kelseyfrog »

pretzel5297 wrote: post #74

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Expect more of the same then?

I've gotten exactly one response on what that looks like. The parent suggested writing custom moderation rules for his router. He was serious that this was feasible general solution.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by fn-mote »

jonhohle wrote: post #234
twobitshifter wrote: post #217

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are the school laptops locked down at all? work laptops are locked down at most corporations and that’s for adults!

They are but middle school and high school kids are more creative, have less to lose, and have no concept of long term consequences compared to employees. School district IT is no match for kids with unlimited time, creativity, and access. Bypasses spread faster than memes. AI chatbots are blocked, one of my son’s friends ran a local proxy to his unblocked domain and other kids get local network access to AI. Install…

> Hi Scottsdale Unified School District! I’m talking about you!

Oh, I guess you’re not my neighbor. You had me going there for a long time.

Stories like this are everywhere. Parents don’t share them because they perceive it is an individual problem, and a shameful problem.

We don’t even have a good way to talk about the problems, never mind their solutions.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by philipallstar »

jonhohle wrote: post #185
philipallstar wrote: post #179

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Because online is global, and you can't have effective local laws against a global system. Parents don't need magic; they just need to watch what their kids use devices for, and keep the devices in public areas of the house. The main thing the state can do is stop requiring kids to have portable internet-connected devices for state schooling.

You are obviously not a parent. I lock down devices, lock down my network, then the public school gives my kid a laptop with access to nearly everything I’ve tried to filter. Even if I can successfully monitor it at home, the device is in their possession and out of my control as a parent for 6-8 hours a day. The government is literally bypassing our family rules and my ability to protect my children in the way I see…

I don't know why you think I'm not a parent. What did I say that made you think that?

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by sieabahlpark »

miki123211 wrote: post #93
pretzel5297 wrote: post #74

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I'm against any kind of age verification legislation, but this is a really bad argument. It doesn't answer the question of "what do we do about parents that don't do their job properly." In theory, one could implement age verification by negligent parent imprisonment, in practice, I don't think that would work, and definitely not in all cases. If we accept the premise that children having unfettered access to the int…

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Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by tEem21 »

SwtCyber wrote: post #228
juleiie wrote: post #79

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1984 is extremely naive. It assumes that people will fight for their freedom and insane measures will be needed to keep them in check. So foolishly optimistic… people can’t wait to give freedom away if only they get a stable job and housing in exchange. Or if it hits these other guys they don’t like at the moment. It’s all much, much less dramatic than Orwell. It is an ordinary, everyday erosion of your rights until…

Most people probably don't "give away freedom" in some explicit bargain. They accept one small exception at a time: this restriction is for children, this one is for safety, this one is only for bad actors, this one is temporary

Agreed. First, they came for the communists...

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by tomhow »

pretzel5297 wrote: post #74

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Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by therealpygon »

Saline9515 wrote: post #215
therealpygon wrote: post #133

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Just my opinion but… I’m all for helping people in the situations that aren’t of their own creation, so using the excuse “what are they supposed to do” doesn’t really fit for me? The first option is to use a condom if they are in a bad financial situation. It’s been amazing how every time I’ve used one, I haven’t had a child. When did we stop making people responsible for their choices? I’m not against assistance, I’…

"Being able to parent" is something you don't know about before you have your first child, and each child increases exponentially the difficulty. You can manage ok the first one and be overwhelmed when the second one is born. Also not everyone is a trust fund kid that works at a FAANG: people get sick, lose jobs, divorce, change homes, and so on. I'm really happy that you found the perfect antifragile optimum in your…

love that not having kids when you can’t actually afford your own existence at that time is a hot take that no one could know in advance that they shouldn’t do. Also love that I SPECIFICALLY called out your argument, almost like you couldn’t even finish reading before needing to get in your super well thought response. That’s sarcasm, figured I’d make sure it was clear since the reading thing is up in the air.
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