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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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I once updated my Epson, and it started rejecting aftermarket ink. Fortunately there is a way to downgrade the firmware. Never buying a cartridge based inkjet printer again.

If you don't care about ink quality, then aftermarket ink is fine. However, if you want your pictures to last 10+ years under the sun, or being able to read what you have printed after some time, getting the genuine ink is the way. People think ink is simple. It is not . Anybody thinking otherwise, some points of pondering: - Why Xerox and HP run their own toner/ink labs to formulate their own ink down to molecule le…

> However, if you want your pictures to last 10+ years under the sun

Ah yes, the standard usecase for a printer. putting pictures outside for a decade.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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If you don't care about ink quality, then aftermarket ink is fine. However, if you want your pictures to last 10+ years under the sun, or being able to read what you have printed after some time, getting the genuine ink is the way. People think ink is simple. It is not . Anybody thinking otherwise, some points of pondering: - Why Xerox and HP run their own toner/ink labs to formulate their own ink down to molecule le…

> However, if you want your pictures to last 10+ years under the sun Ah yes, the standard usecase for a printer. putting pictures outside for a decade.

Printing a family picture on 4"x6" photo paper, framing it and putting in a living room exposes it to copious amount of UV light over a decade.

It's one of the exact reasons inkjet printers and blank, inkjet-compatible photo paper exists. HP was bundling them with their printers when I last opened mine.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here. Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that. But what's even…

The issue isn't access to the printers, it's access to Bambu Lab's cloud.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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It is my right to do with my printer whatever I want.

The hardware yes. Bambu's software, not quite. If you want to flash it with 3rd party firmware & use 3rd party slicers, have at it. If you want to use Bambu's software against their TOS, OK you wouldn't be alone in that, but there's no moral high ground in it.

"Bambu's software" is forked from an AGPL project and is therefore itself AGPL. I have a right to fork, modify, and use it how I wish subject to the terms of the AGPL. Bambu's TOS is irrelevant. Their TOS is superceded by the terms of the AGPL.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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This looks to be a clone of the prior state of the repository that caused all the Bambu drama earlier this week. I did a ton of research because I didn't understand what people wanted here, and this is what's going on: Right now, Bambu have adjusted their system into two modalities: * "default" or "Cloud" mode, where you get an app, remote monitoring, but you have to use Bambu Studio or Bambu Connect to send prints.…

Ok, so as a heavy user of Bambu printers: > I didn't understand what people wanted here Great: very few people care enough to actually try to understand! This is very much appreciated. > What users want is to "have their cake and eat it too;" they want the local token authentication _and_ the cloud authentication enabled at the same time No. What I want is to use any slicer software (specifically OrcaSlicer, which is…

A lot of people don't understand just how bad the 3d printer ecosystem can be. Most people understand how bad HP/Epson/Canon ink printers can get, but they really need to understand that 3d printers can be worse than that.

While I kinda sorta need my 3d printer more than my 2d printer, it's an absolute nightmare in a way that my 2d printer isn't, and it's caused entirely by the dogshit proprietary software I have to use in order to print things.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here. Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that. But what's even…

The issue isn't access to the printers, it's access to Bambu Lab's cloud.

That's not true - that's a canary that Bambu through out there to distract from the thing that they absolutely took steps to force everyone into their ecosystem (which just happens to only sell their product, and to monetize prints directly for them).

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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If you don't care about ink quality, then aftermarket ink is fine. However, if you want your pictures to last 10+ years under the sun, or being able to read what you have printed after some time, getting the genuine ink is the way. People think ink is simple. It is not . Anybody thinking otherwise, some points of pondering: - Why Xerox and HP run their own toner/ink labs to formulate their own ink down to molecule le…

> then aftermarket ink is fine Then why don't they allow it, perhaps with warnings? They don't block after market ink because of quality concerns, though they might claim so, they block it because they want to make more money from you themselves through ink sales. The common response here is “but they make a loss on selling the hardware!”, to which my response is “their bad pricing decision is not my problem”.

My roomba had warning in its guide that third party accessories may not properly work with the device. I was like pshaw you're just nickel and diming me!

But indeed, the third party brush caused the robot to have all types of errors. Some third party parts did work, just not the brushes. I guess there's some sort of strict size tolerance and the third party ones were a bit too big or small.

But I had only myself to blame for that.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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It was a mistake by BambuLab to piss off and alienate the community. They poked the bear; stung the bee; squashed the frog. This is literally the Barbara Streisand effect in the modern era. Now people are watching. Reputation went out the window already: "If they can sue one of us, they can sue all of us". (Well, threaten to sue at the least, aka applying financial pressure on that developer.)

Good joke if you think more than 1% of their customer base will care about that. Bambu is not (never has been?) targeting 3D printing hobbyist but everyday people; and for them cost/reliability is more important than running your custom slicer. Until there is a serious competitor that has a polished and cheap printer, Bambu can alienate all of the open source community and still be fine.

How many sales do that 1% drive? They also tend to be the evangelical users / YouTubers / tech bloggers that drive sales for the company.

Bambu is following Synology's footsteps here. And just like Synology, they will wake up to press at some point and common wisdom "don't buy Synology, the elite moved off when Green came out and now the rest are leaving too".

I own the most expensive Bambu (The H2C) - and even I am willing to admit that the snap maker is a great printer, and a better technical path in someways then the H2C vortek system for anyone who doesn't care about engineering filament

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Reminder about the way Ubiquiti does this, as a vendor who wanted to provide users remote access to their own devices behind NAT: Unifi Cloud handles the auth and connection brokerage through a public portal, but you’re then connected straight to your own gear using your web browser (or one of the apps, if you choose). I can even turn all this off if I want to handle the remote access side of it myself. Other vendors…

Ubiquiti really should be the model for every company selling hardware today. Their business model is a straightforward "sell a good product at a reasonable price" approach, and they seem to be quite successful at it without needing to resort to gimmickry, subscription fees, or other even less savory ways of monetizing other people's activities.

I'm still pretty sour that they removed the ability to self-host the NVR and you have to use their cloud solution now.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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I run Bamboo Printer on it's own wifi VLAN in developer mode / LAN only mode, and been developing my own Flutter App to monitor video and MQTT status in this state. I am also progressing towards filament management and uploading / printing from SD Card.

Just sharing to let other know how they can cope running in LAN / Dev mode.

https://github.com/richyo-codes/boom-print

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