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DeepClaude – Claude Code agent loop with DeepSeek V4 Pro

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Re: DeepClaude – Claude Code agent loop with DeepSeek V4 Pro

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Post by zeendo »

miroljub wrote: post #210
lhl wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those that don't want their data trained on, OpenRouter allows you to have account-wide or per-request routing with either provider.data_collection: "deny" or zdr: true (zero data retention). Also, you can use HuggingFace Inference for DeepSeek V4 or Kimi K2.6, both of which work quite well and route through providers that you can enable/disable (like Together AI, DeepInfra, etc) - you'll have to check their poli…

I wonder why the question about data security and training comes often with DeepSeek, Kimi, Glm and never with Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google models. Why is that? IIRC, USA data protection protects data of US citizens only, foreigners data is not protected, and the companies are not even allowed to disclose when they collect those data.

Because Anthropic, at least, gives you the option to opt out of training? I think Google and OpenAI do, too.

Re: DeepClaude – Claude Code agent loop with DeepSeek V4 Pro

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Post by ojr »

TheServitor wrote: post #138

It's surprisingly easy to hit $200 worth of tokens even at ~$1/M token though. No matter how many times I do the math the coding plans are the better value.

I don't think it surprisingly easy at all unless you are running multiple background tasks overnight, I think Gemini will eventually be the default agentic coding agent in the future when it comes to price and efficiency because its backed by sound money.

I don't use the Claude Code harness, grep instead of using a combination of vector search is super expensive and not sure how their read file implementation is. I built my own harness for example that restrict reads and writes in a token efficient manner. Building your own harness will always be the cheapest option in the long run.

My own harness, minimalistic GUI gets the job done nothing too fancy https://slidebits.com/isogen

Re: DeepClaude – Claude Code agent loop with DeepSeek V4 Pro

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Post by dzink »

Tried DeepSeek V4 Pro and Flash on Open Router and they worked fine - flash might have actually produced a better result, but also the same prompt across different inference providers produced the same result. Then tried DS4 Pro again via tinfoil.sh and got the same design but littered with random Chinese characters in the code. Tinfoil pegs prompt data as private / not trained on. Do know know DS4 providers that are verifiably private and not training on your prompts and outputs?

Re: DeepClaude – Claude Code agent loop with DeepSeek V4 Pro

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Post by viking123 »

ahmadyan wrote: post #92
nclin_ wrote: post #91

Is claude code the best coding harness? Anyone running evals on that?

In my anecdotal experience, it is not. Same model, opus, works better in 3P harnesses such as Factory Droid or Amp. Claude code, on the other hand, is the most subsidized one, both for consumers (through max subscription) and for enterprises (token discounts). It is also heavily optimized for cost, specially token caching and reduced thinking, at the expense of quality.

codex is way more subsidized currently, much more generous limits even for 20 dollars a month

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Post by SJMG »

Matl wrote: post #222
miroljub wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why the question about data security and training comes often with DeepSeek, Kimi, Glm and never with Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google models. Why is that? IIRC, USA data protection protects data of US citizens only, foreigners data is not protected, and the companies are not even allowed to disclose when they collect those data.

> USA data protection protects data of US citizens only, foreigners data is not protected HN is an American site. If you look at the US government, it is going to fearmonger about anything China related, because they haven't had a genuine competitor for decades and they're scared and lashing out. Most US news just parrot the government line, sometimes more so than state TV would, and so it reflects here. I also feel…

> also feel comfortable saying that many Americans don't care one bit what happens to foreigners, be it by action of their government or companies

What's the point of this kind of statement for you? Does this help you understand others or just continue to drive the wedge in? Where are you from? Ask yourself can the statement,

"many {of my country} don't care one bit what happens to foreigners, be it by action of the government or companies" not be read as true?

There are self-absorbed, disinterested, uncompassionate people in every country which will satisfy your "many" qualifier.

Re: DeepClaude – Claude Code agent loop with DeepSeek V4 Pro

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Post by BeetleB »

jorvi wrote: post #228
lhl wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those that don't want their data trained on, OpenRouter allows you to have account-wide or per-request routing with either provider.data_collection: "deny" or zdr: true (zero data retention). Also, you can use HuggingFace Inference for DeepSeek V4 or Kimi K2.6, both of which work quite well and route through providers that you can enable/disable (like Together AI, DeepInfra, etc) - you'll have to check their poli…

That doesn't work, if you do that it will mark DeepSeek's models with a warning symbol along with the error "paid model training violation".

In a sense, it's working as intended. If you set zdr to true, you currently can't use DeepSeek v4. However, once other providers offer it (it is an open model, after all), some may allow zdr.

Re: DeepClaude – Claude Code agent loop with DeepSeek V4 Pro

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Post by rirze »

o10449366 wrote: post #198
syntex wrote: post #180

Not sure you can replace Claude with DeepSeek V4 that easily and have same results. From what I see while building my own agentic system in Elixir, the problem is in training for your specific harness/contracts. Claude/GPT-style models seem to be trained around very specific contracts used by the harness like tool call formats, planning structure, patching, reading files, recovering from errors, and knowing when to s…

Idk, my recent experience with Claude is that 4.7 barely knows how to use basic bash tools - how to properly check when programs have finished running, even basic stuff like how to run pytest suites and read the failed tests from the output without re-running the suite to specifically look for them. It's shockingly dumb for all of the tooling they've built into Claude Code (the useless Monitoring tool that blocks bas…

I’m finding great success having Claude design and review code but having codex actually implement it.

Re: DeepClaude – Claude Code agent loop with DeepSeek V4 Pro

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Post by _345 »

crooked-v wrote: post #46
vitaflo wrote: post #13

I'm not exactly sure what the point of this is. Deepseek already has instructions to use its API with many CLI's including Claude Code directly: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...

I'm curious how well it actually works. I tried Deepseek with Hermes and Opencode and it seemed extremely bad about using some of the basic tools given, like the Hermes holographic memory tools, even with system prompt instructions strongly pointing them out.

I've been experimenting with Hermes, I'm convinced hermes is also just bad. Like as a harness it has got to be doing something to lobotomize these models- Even GPT-5.4 performs badly in Hermes vs just using it in Codex.
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