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Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by iJohnDoe »

jaidhyani wrote: post #154
talkingtab wrote: post #18

Meta said the contracting "did not meet (meta's) standards". I am sure that is true. meta's "standard" is not to reveal the illegal, immoral, unethical things meta does. No matter what the harm. Maybe a company with those standards should not get our business. Oops, no wait, maybe they mean the Friedman Doctrine standards? In that case they are entitled to do any and every thing to make a profit. No matter what the h…

I used to work for Meta. I quit largely because of intense frustrations with the company. Meta has made a lot of mistakes, overlooked a lot of harms, and made a lot of short-sighted, selfish choices. Many things about the world are worse than they could be because of choices Meta has made. So that when I say that they really do have a zero tolerance policy for anyone using their internal systems to violate user priva…

@jaidhyani I hate to burst your bubble, but there are major privacy violations here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47226756

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by genewitch »

GrinningFool wrote: post #245
SlinkyOnStairs wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How else do you want companies to remove and prevent CSAM? Different situation. Facebook has to do CSAM moderation because it's a publishing platform. People will post CSAM on facebook, so they must do moderation. And "just don't have facebook" isn't a solution because every publication of any sort has to deal with this problem; Any newspaper accepting mail has this problem. (Albeit to a much more scaled down versi…

> traumatizing contract workers for $2-3 an hour) Is there an hourly rate at which this should be acceptable?

Emergency Department^ doctors, what do they make? give people who have to review the worst humanity has to offer and pay them that. and while we're at it, ambulance personnel should get a huge pay bump. Take it from nurses' pay.

^ i originally said "triage doctors" but i meant the resident ER doc.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by Avicebron »

throwpoaster wrote: post #188
talkingtab wrote: post #18

Meta said the contracting "did not meet (meta's) standards". I am sure that is true. meta's "standard" is not to reveal the illegal, immoral, unethical things meta does. No matter what the harm. Maybe a company with those standards should not get our business. Oops, no wait, maybe they mean the Friedman Doctrine standards? In that case they are entitled to do any and every thing to make a profit. No matter what the h…

That's not what the Friedman Doctrine is, technically. It is that management should obey moral, ethical, and legal frameworks in the operation of the business for the benefit of its investors; and specifically NOT take actions which are outside of that narrow scope.

Does that include trying to influence moral, ethical, and legal frameworks to the benefit of the investors as well? Because if it does it is kind of a moot point.

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Post by genewitch »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #208
esyir wrote: post #181

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If car manufacturers cannot bring car related deaths to zero, they too should no longer be legitimate companies.

When FORD dngaf with the Pinto and Corsair( like tech companies do not gaf), they deservedly got this same level of contempt/demand for oversite. A dude named Ralph Nader went on a huge crusade about it. And they got a ton more oversite, safety requirements, etc put on them. So yes, yes, let's do like we did with cars.

I voted for Ralph Nader a few times, until he stopped appearing on ballots for whatever reason. For this reason, and many others. I don't remember any negative press about him, either. maybe he got out when mudslinging became defacto in elections.

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Post by ryandrake »

intended wrote: post #206
ryandrake wrote: post #107

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> > Meta said this was for the purpose of improving the customer experience, and was a common practice among other companies. > Am I reading this correctly?! This is probably the weirdest statement I've read on the internet in twenty years. It's total fantasy. I've worked in big tech. Casually uploading and providing company/contractor access to non-redacted intimate photos or pictures of the insides of people's home…

I’ve worked in trust and safety - for me this is stupid, but well below the threshold of impossible. Hell, I know of a major firm that decided QA was not needed for their trust and safety process. Another common issue will be SEA Arabic speakers tasked with labelling Middle Eastern Arabic content, because accents and cultural dialects are not a thing. I’ve had people at FAANG firms cry on my shoulder, because they co…

What I mean is: I'm not sure what they base their statement that it's "a common practice among other companies" on. Unlikely they are talking about their peer companies. I suppose if you read the sentence literally, there surely exist one or more "other companies" in the broad universe of "other companies" that routinely do this kind of stuff. But I wouldn't think anywhere serious.

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

devilbunny wrote: post #225
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #164

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CSAM exists on social media because they are so large that it's not possible to moderate them effectively. To me this is a a no-go. If a business is so large that it cannot respect laws, it needs to be shut down. The correct way to organize social media is in federated way. Each server only holds on average a few hundred or few thousand people. Server moderators should be legally responsible for content on their serv…

> Server moderators should be legally responsible for content on their server. And therefore anything that is remotely questionable will be blocked. Not just kiddie porn. Pissed off a local business with a bad review? Blocked. Child abusers are twisted people, and I really don’t care much what happens to them, but making it impossible for them to use the internet means sterilizing the whole thing.

You are just saying that physical life doesn't function. People get banned or removed from all sorts of informal and formal groups all the time because of completely illegitimate reasons. That's just human politics embedded so deeply in our psychology it will never go away. They simply move to different groups - and similarly online they can move to a different federated server.

But that's not possible in today's oligopoly of social media. An invisible algorithm will ban you, and there is no way back, and few alternates. Big Social Media is way worse from a sanitizing perspective than some federated social media.

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Post by swiftcoder »

intended wrote: post #239
swiftcoder wrote: post #226

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Yeah, moderation may instead be labelling in this case. Its likely the same type of firm handles both sorts of work on behalf of FAANG

Sounds plausible. We could also toss vibe coded mess on top of this and probably get closer to the truth.

The article itself is ambiguous on this point: "At the time of the publication, Meta admitted subcontracted workers might sometimes review content filmed on its smart glasses when people shared it with Meta AI."

That could be moderation, or it could be labelling new examples for training/validation

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Post by salawat »

intended wrote: post #182
arowthway wrote: post #94

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Because person wearing glasses usually can move and video surveillance cameras usually can't? If that's not it then spell it out for me, please. Also, why would i be deceptive in this discussion? I feel like I missed some ideological conflict.

Imagine someone pulling up a smartphone and then recording everything that happens around them. Contrast that with someone wearing smart glasses and doing that exact same thing. On a separate note, (and this is a genuine question) are you by any chance aware the term Non-consensual intimate imagery / NCII? I am beginning to suspect that the average HN goer isn’t aware of the scope and scale of the Trust and Safety pr…

They don't care. Or they refuse to realize that tech isn't the solution to it, but an amplifier of it's scale.

Can tell you that my urge to take photos/record drastically dips around other people. Particularly if it were meant for any sort of commercial exploitation. Stephenson called people wired for max indiscriminate data collection/processing "gargoyles". Personally I prefer glassholes.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-borg-of...

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