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Maladaptive Frugality

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Re: Maladaptive Frugality

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> my reaction to systemd wasn't "oh wow, this is progress" but "ugh, I need to learn how to start, stop, or modify services again" I must be young at heart while >60 years old; my reaction was "why is everybody whining about it, it's pretty nice, I like it". Same with jj vs git, jj is amazing!

Never heard of JJ, why is it better than git, and how did you learn about it?

Lots of discussions on HN about it recently [1], [2], I heard of it right here. It works on git repositories, so it's very easy to try.

For me, the killer feature is updating some commit deep inside some feature branch, and all child commits and branches get auto-updated, no more faffing with endless rebases. Also conflict handling is so much more pleasant than git's.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47763759

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45672280

Re: Maladaptive Frugality

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Can you explain why?

They cannot, because they are wrong. And I say this as a person who has owned no small number of fancy cars (but I got better). A new base-model Prius is absurdly luxurious compared to a base model car of 1975 or 1985 or even 1995. If you have lived long enough to see this change, then dropping 2x or 3x or 10x the cost of the Prius self-evidently puts you wildly beyond the point of diminishing returns. The Prius is g…

How can I be wrong if this is all subjective in the first place?

I've owned a number of cars, and this isn't just about luxury. It's about the quality of the drive.

If you call HVAC and a Stereo luxury, then you haven't updated your definiteion relative to "1976 or 1985".

Again, all purely subjective. But there is a huge idfference between a Prius and a drivers car.

Re: Maladaptive Frugality

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>Expensive cars are mostly about status signalling Uhm, only if you are counting the most basic utility, then you're right. However if you actually enjoy driving (A->A driving), there is a HGUE difference and it's not just signaling. It's that you probably can't tell the difference, or don't care. There is no comparison between driving a new Porsche or Bentley vs a new Toyota or even a Lexus.

Bah. I've driven luxury bmws, porches, and corvettes. You want to know what my daily driver is? A miata. Those other cars are faster, yes, but nothing else makes driving quite the occasion that a miata does. You don't have to go expensive to buy something you actually enjoy driving.

Miata is the exception, it is fun to drive... and it was engineered to be that way.

Re: Maladaptive Frugality

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>Expensive cars are mostly about status signalling Uhm, only if you are counting the most basic utility, then you're right. However if you actually enjoy driving (A->A driving), there is a HGUE difference and it's not just signaling. It's that you probably can't tell the difference, or don't care. There is no comparison between driving a new Porsche or Bentley vs a new Toyota or even a Lexus.

If you compare a Porsche SUV to a Lexus SUV, there's almost no difference. If you compare a Porsche Boxster to a Toyota, the Porsche is much more of a driver's car and if you're the right kind of driver, there's simply no comparison. (We'll ignore the FT86 / 86 for the moment ;)!) If you buy a Bentley... you probably pay someone else to drive it for you. Something to remember in all of this is hedonic adaptation. Buy…

I've owned or driven cars from almost every auto-manufacturer found in the US/EU. I can clearly say (subjectively) there is a HUGE difference between a Porsche Cayenne GTS, Turbo S or Turbo GT than Any F-Sport Lexus. Sorry, not the same league.

As far as the adaptation, maybe. But driving a Toyota never brought a smile on a twisty, ever. But it was reliable and always started :) The Porsche, every time, it never gets old [feeling] after many years.

Re: Maladaptive Frugality

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Most people in the US are pulled into living on credit straight out of school. You get a student loan, then a car loan, then a credit card, then a mortgage. You finance vacations, appliances, kitchen remodels, smartphones - mostly to keep up with friends and coworkers who finance their lifestyles too. A lot of people are in non-stop debt from the age of 18 to 55, if not longer. By most estimates, only about 10-20% of…

Heavy debt is a part of the US culture. You can probably imagine the responses folks would have when they found out I was 40, a tenured professor with a family, and didn't own a house. Nobody had a heart attack but I'm sure some were close. I was just violating cultural norms too much by not going into debt to buy a house as anyone in my position was supposed to do. Then they'd find out I drove an old vehicle and did…

Home debt has traditionally been seen as "good debt" for a bunch of reasons, but the big ones were that

(a) Home loans meant you were accumulating equity in an appreciating asset; and

(b) Mortgage interest was enough to allow most people to take a larger-than-standard deduction on income taxes; and

(c) The relationship between home prices and the equivalent rental market meant you could probably have a nicer place for a lower monthly payment in many markets.

These were generally slam-dunk truths for decades, but in the last 20 or so years they've stopped being true.

Home ownership isn't the guaranteed rocket-ship to wealth it once was. Appreciation is spotty, and varies wildly by market. My own view of this is that a lot of the gains are now baked in, and we're unlikely to see the kind of rise in value (in real dollars) that characterized, say, 1990 to 2015. Last year I sold a townhouse in Houston that I'd owned since 2000; I made money, but not the kind of upside that you wanna write home about.

Second, the tax law changes in Trump's first term dramatically raised the standard deduction -- enough so that we stopped itemizing. Part of this was that we were deep into the mortgage, so we were paying less in interest every year, but it's still a factor.

Third, rents may be high now, but home prices and interest rates are higher. When I bought in 2000, I went from renting a place for $1200 a month to OWNING a place at a bit under $2k (including taxes and insurance). This was with 20% down.

In my old neighborhood now, a nice rental is gonna be $2500-$3000, and housing is just unattainable. First, 20% now means probably $90K. Second, servicing the loan is going to be more than the rent, plus you've got another $450 a month in property taxes AND probably another $450 in insurance. And you've got to accumulate the $90K somehow while paying $2500 in rent. It's crazy. I have no idea how a young person who isn't making top-5% income can afford to buy without family help.

Re: Maladaptive Frugality

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>Expensive cars are mostly about status signalling Uhm, only if you are counting the most basic utility, then you're right. However if you actually enjoy driving (A->A driving), there is a HGUE difference and it's not just signaling. It's that you probably can't tell the difference, or don't care. There is no comparison between driving a new Porsche or Bentley vs a new Toyota or even a Lexus.

Can you explain why?

I'm replying to the comment that expensive cars are mostly signaling. And it's false.

For people who don't like cars (/r/f*kcars is strong on HN) I understand their viewpoint. For people who LOVE cars, we see the details and appreciate the engineering, craftsmanship and art.

Will a Prius get you a->b the same as a "signaling car", yes. But for the hobbiest, it's the journey not the destination.

Re: Maladaptive Frugality

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Most people in the US are pulled into living on credit straight out of school. You get a student loan, then a car loan, then a credit card, then a mortgage. You finance vacations, appliances, kitchen remodels, smartphones - mostly to keep up with friends and coworkers who finance their lifestyles too. A lot of people are in non-stop debt from the age of 18 to 55, if not longer. By most estimates, only about 10-20% of…

> By most estimates, only about 10-20% of US households are debt-free. This needs to be qualified with the fact that it doesn't make sense for many people to be debt-free if they are financially literate. I know many people, myself included, who carry debt they could easily pay off because it would be irrational to do so. Being debt-free would actually make them poorer. This often holds true even when ignoring obviou…

We are debt-free, but it's because I paid off a mortgage the hard way, and then sold that house to buy another.

Re: Maladaptive Frugality

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They cannot, because they are wrong. And I say this as a person who has owned no small number of fancy cars (but I got better). A new base-model Prius is absurdly luxurious compared to a base model car of 1975 or 1985 or even 1995. If you have lived long enough to see this change, then dropping 2x or 3x or 10x the cost of the Prius self-evidently puts you wildly beyond the point of diminishing returns. The Prius is g…

Even in motorsports, presumably it’s still mostly showing off? Unless you are a pro, you’d still lose any seriously comepetitivr race and have plenty to learn and enjoy driving a not-quite-top of the line sports car? I don’t know motorsports, but in all the sports I do know it’s that way. Tennis, cycling… there are serious diminishing returns in all of those and most kit spending isn’t justified by performance as muc…

>Even in motorsports, presumably it’s still mostly showing off?

What, you mean like F1 where the rules of the engineering / tech of the car and shaving a second can mean 1st place vs not placing?

Re: Maladaptive Frugality

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Even in motorsports, presumably it’s still mostly showing off? Unless you are a pro, you’d still lose any seriously comepetitivr race and have plenty to learn and enjoy driving a not-quite-top of the line sports car? I don’t know motorsports, but in all the sports I do know it’s that way. Tennis, cycling… there are serious diminishing returns in all of those and most kit spending isn’t justified by performance as muc…

That's definitely true, and I have a whole other rant how my cycling pals and I love to poke fun at dudes who show up to the group ride on a brand new $10,000 bike and get dropped before the midpoint. BUT! It's easier than you think to get a point in participatory motorsports where the difference between, say, a Cayman and a Miata is something you can actively use.

>That's definitely true, and I have a whole other rant how my cycling pals and I love to poke fun at dudes who show up to the group ride on a brand new $10,000 bike and get dropped before the midpoint.

This has nothing to do with higher end cars or bikes being "signaling" this is just an anecdote between your skill and the next level.

You could say the same thing about a tour de france winner with any bike vs you and your pals.

If you are competitive, you get to a point where the differences do matter.

Re: Maladaptive Frugality

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I fixed it by simply placing a value on my own time. When I started I figured my time was worth at least $50/hr. Spending an hour trying to save less than $50 is an absolute loss, recognizing that, my behavior changed easily.

This helps but it brings its own dangers. At high income it can make you feel silly for doing anything other than working. You second-guess walking the dog even if you enjoy it because you can pay someone to do it for so much less.

Yes. I've said it before but one of the greatest luxuries in life is the time to be able to do your own gardening and laundry.

You could consider that the higher the hourly worth in your profession, the greater the luxury :)

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