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Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

fionic wrote: post #135
stevemk14ebr wrote: post #102

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> It’s just a foundation? Please just let me know We are each responsible for learning ourselves, and we live in a time where that is easier than ever. I find it odd your default position is to assume it is not important.

My default position is not to assume it’s not important. I’m actually assuming it’s important from everyone’s negative comments. So since I don’t know much about what sort of advancements they’re engineering ( no one is really answering the question specifically I guess bc I can definitely wiki search them too.) so I want to know historically what have they improved and funded that has benefited society etc. so yeah…

Some basic research on Wikipedia would help you learn a lot, I suspect.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

fionic wrote: post #188
pastelhues wrote: post #132

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I’m real. I’m from USA. Just trying to ask a question. The responses have been enlightening. I’m learning so much about myself.

I'm kind of wondering how old you are? You could find this stuff out for yourself, you know.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

lacy_tinpot wrote: post #244
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #195

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We're just telling you what the President says! It's his explicit position, which he repeats constantly, that everyone in the government should be personally loyal to him and never do anything he doesn't want them to do. If you'd prefer for his side not to be full of toadies, you'll have to take it up with him; he's making a conscious decision to do things that way.

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It's really a quite boring take. The executive branch is not the President's personal property; he's a temporary custodian of it on behalf of the American people, and he has a duty to faithfully execute the laws Congress passed. He has no legitimate power to randomly smash things just because he'd personally like for them to be different.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

fionic wrote: post #193
melvinram wrote: post #114

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Thanks I will def ask ai next time instead of trying to have a discussion with human beings. This is the most helpful answer yet. I will tell ChatGPT to call me dumb and other derogatory names and shame me too so it can feel more like hacker news.

Don't ask chatgpt. Look on Wikipedia. Researching things like this is basic digital literacy. You need to learn how to do this.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

andsoitis wrote: post #240
mullingitover wrote: post #238

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TBD, the defining trait of this administration is illegal acts that get overturned later. The point of this isn’t to be right, it’s “you might beat the rap, but you won’t beat the ride” abuse of process.

Are you claiming the US president does not have the right to fire them?

I reject the premise. The President is not a king, he isn't presumptively allowed to fire anyone he'd like. The statute establishing the National Science Board (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1863) does not give him any such power, so he doesn't have it.

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Post by cozzyd »

jkestner wrote: post #143

This should feel personal to a lot of us. I have hopes of applying to the Small Business Innovation Research fund ( https://seedfund.nsf.gov ), a program that gives small companies a good chunk of money without taking equity, in order to encourage development of technologies deemed of national importance. I’d be curious if anyone here has tried applying in the last 18 months.

some of us are also scientists who hold NSF grants (and hope to continue to hold them...) :)

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by qsera »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #247
qsera wrote: post #218

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You like him because you think he believes the bullshit he says? That just means he's an idiot. Also notice he has appointed probably the most incompetent cabinet in history. He doesn't want competence, he wants bootlickers. Also, he is prohibited by the Constitution from running again. With any luck, a whole bunch of them are going to end up in prison before this is all over.

If he is an idiot, the "bullshit" that he says would be inconsistent.

The problem with Trump is perception. That what Trump says can appear to be inconsistent if you are looking for it. Or if you want to project that impression. I will give you an example.

This [1] is a comment in one of the /r/worldnews post mocking a comment made by Trump.

>Stable Genius Doctor Jesus on November 16, 2011: “Our president [Obama] will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate. He's weak and he's ineffective.”

Superficially, the comment appear to be legit. But if you look at what Trump said, you can see that here https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fact-check-trump-once-sa...

> But to start a war in order to get elected, and I believe that's going to happen, would be an outrage.

> Iran can be taken down in many ways. Their population is in turmoil. They look at what's happening in Syria and other countries where it looked like it was an impossibility. And it looks like that one is going to collapse also. So Iran can be taken.

> I would never take the military card off the table and it's possible that it'll have to be used because Iran cannot have nuclear weapons, but you've gotta exhaust other possibilities. And we're in a great position to do it.

And I think this fits perfectly with what he is trying to do right now, I mean where he says..

> but you've gotta exhaust other possibilities.

So this is what I said earlier. He is not stupid. But he speaks freely. You can cherry pick sentences from what he say and can paint a completely different picture.

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1svtrz5/trump_ha...

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Post by bigyabai »

qsera wrote: post #243
bigyabai wrote: post #236

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No, not surprising. But some of your statements are hard to square with the current circumstances, so help us understand where you're coming from: > When he says "I will end the war in three days", I think he genuinely believes it. So I think he is genuine. This is what Putin said about his "Special military operation" that has stretched on for 4 years now. Hostomel turned into an irreversible, taxing conflict on the…

>I'd have to hear how you think this type of strategy benefits America The only answer I have is the one that Trump keep on repeating, about how Iran should not have a nuclear weapon. > JCPOA agreement If I am the POTUS and is really concerned about what happens to US after my term, I would be very concerned about what happens when the term of the agreement expires. This fits with Trump has been saying. That he becam…

> The only answer I have is the one that Trump keep on repeating, about how Iran should not have a nuclear weapon.

Then you don't have an answer. The Israeli media played that line for close to 40 years, lamenting Iran being "mere months" away from a nuke - for decades at a time.

Iran has nothing to do with American homeland security. America's involvement in Iran is purely for political and economic reasons, there is no credible threat to America in Iran any more than there is in Sudan or Yemen.

> If I am the POTUS [...] I would be very concerned about what happens when the term of the agreement expires.

Genuinely, why? The JCPOA is a joint plan, America's opinion only matters insofar as we can compel Iran to comply. Pulling out increases the likelihood that Iran races to build a bomb with their HEU. Bombing them, like in the Twelve-Day War and Operation Midnight Hammer, did not compel any compliance. The uranium is still a problem.

> So when he says he want a permanent solution to Iran's nuclear threat, I think that is why.

I think that is bogus. Iran is not a credible nuclear threat to the United States or it's citizens, so the US would only be going to war to protect Israel. In which case, we don't even need the nuke pretext and we can just admit that it's a protectionist war to defend our fragile satellite state instead of lying about ICBM threats.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

qsera wrote: post #257
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You like him because you think he believes the bullshit he says? That just means he's an idiot. Also notice he has appointed probably the most incompetent cabinet in history. He doesn't want competence, he wants bootlickers. Also, he is prohibited by the Constitution from running again. With any luck, a whole bunch of them are going to end up in prison before this is all over.

If he is an idiot, the "bullshit" that he says would be inconsistent. The problem with Trump is perception. That what Trump says can appear to be inconsistent if you are looking for it. Or if you want to project that impression. I will give you an example. This [1] is a comment in one of the /r/worldnews post mocking a comment made by Trump. >Stable Genius Doctor Jesus on November 16, 2011: “Our president [Obama] wil…

It's true that Trump was generally a reasonable person in 2011, albeit brash and certainly someone I had many disagreements with. Here's a post he made about Iran a few days ago, reproduced in full to ensure I'm not cherrypicking sentences:

> For those people, fewer in number now than ever before, that are reading The Failing New York Times, or watching Fake News CNN, that think that I am “anxious” to end the War (if you would even call it that!) with Iran, please be advised that I am possibly the least pressured person ever to be in this position. I have all the time in the World, but Iran doesn’t — The clock is ticking! The reason some of the Media is doing so poorly with Subscribers and Viewers is because they no longer have credibility. Iran’s Navy is lying at the bottom of the Sea, their Air Force is demolished, their Anti Aircraft and Radar Weaponry is gone, their leaders are no longer with us, the Blockade is airtight and strong and, from there, it only gets worse — Time is not on their side! A Deal will only be made when it’s appropriate and good for the United States of America, our Allies and, in fact, the rest of the World. President DONALD J. TRUMP

To me this seems pretty stupid. If someone wrote this message in a social media argument I would block them.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by gte525u »

epistasis wrote: post #181
gte525u wrote: post #166

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SBIRs have been mucked up since last fall. The program lapsed and it just got reauthorized for certain departments. Without that reauth only those who had phase 1's could apply for phase 2's.

Hey got any details about how to apply for a phase 2 if you had a successful phase 1? I know a group that would be very interested...

It depends - some agencies you can apply directly without doing a phase 1. Others you need talk to the TPOC of the Phase 1 to find out the process or you have to be invited.

In the current environment - I would contact the TPOC - it could just be stuck in limbo.

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