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Re: The AI industry is discovering that the public hates it

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

cortesoft wrote: post #234
happytoexplain wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you're backwards. The first point is definitely the most important and most tricky. UBI is a dangerous distraction in this context. It's a mammoth cost to achieve an impoverished quality of life. It may be worth implementing in general, but it absolutely must stay out of the conversation about AI. It's like if the ruling class started announcing that they would like to imprison us all, and your "discussion" about…

What sort of regulation do you think is needed for this?

I think frontier AI research should be outlawed until such time as there's a broad consensus on how society ought to deal with it. This would have to be coordinated internationally to be effective, but I think that would be achievable if the US sent a credible signal by forcibly shutting down any one of the major labs.

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Post by dualvariable »

jiggawatts wrote: post #69
cortesoft wrote: post #44

I feel like their are (at least) three main critiques of AI, and I wish we could debate them separately, because I think they each have different resolutions. The first is the fear of job loss, and I feel like this is the most straightforward to deal with. Personally, I think the solution should be to share the productivity of AI with society at large, in particular since AI owes most of its abilities to training on…

> mislead and commit fraud at scale This is the "safety" messaging that OpenAI and Anthropic keep harping on and on, and on about, while whistling a merry tune as they turn around and sell AI to the US military and worse , to the tune of $billions/year already. The "and worse" needs elaboration, because fundamentally the single biggest cash cow for AI vendors will be (and maybe already is) implementing a dystopian fu…

Yeah, AI-enabled surveillance capitalism is likely to be every bit as bad as what people imagine China is doing with their social credit scores.

And the scary thing is that you can probably easily sell it to Democratic voters if you track racism scores for people, so you can filter people out of your dating pool or job/rental applications. Most people don't care about privacy as a fundamental right, and they'll roll over and compromise if you give them a way to track what they hate. You just need to make sure it is "bipartisan" and it'll be wildly popular.

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Post by slg »

globalnode wrote: post #243
estimator7292 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-violent means don't work and get you killed by cops. This is what the people are left with.

but violence doesnt work either, even if you conquer a whole nation (or social class or insert w/e here), you didnt really win and oneday they will get their revenge, so you're better off trying the non-violent way

Does anyone else see the disconnect between how Americans talk about our history compared to how we talk about political violence of today?

How can we glorify Thomas Jefferson and teach kids about him saying "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" only to then condemn the spilling of any modern blood? Truly what is the difference between torching a warehouse of toilet paper compared to tossing some tea in the harbor?

How can we condemn one and celebrate the other without being hypocrites?

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Post by YZF »

rvz wrote: post #201
Tyrubias wrote: post #41

This was evident everywhere except within the AI industry itself. The rhetoric from many of the industry’s top leaders has been “this technology will eliminate millions of jobs, fundamentally reshape countless other jobs, and automate the use of lethal force, but we’re going to develop it anyways”. Many of the current economic woes, including mass layoffs, have been blamed on AI by the very executives conducting said…

Not a surprise. Seems like AI is more hated than crypto and this shows that the AI industry is in a bubble. At least crypto does not take away more jobs than it creates, where as we all know AI takes away more jobs and no-one can give a solution or explain what the "new jobs" are. Because the value from AI is to automate the jobs from humans. Claiming otherwise is being intellectually dishonest. Same goes for definin…

Crypto sucks energy and creates no value. It's complete and utter speculative garbage that also destroys the planet.

AI has real value. We can argue about whether the cost is worth the value, whether we're on an exponential improvement curve or not, whether it ends up creating jobs or destroying jobs, but AI is mind blowing science fiction that nobody would have believed you will exist 10 years ago.

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Post by atmavatar »

estimator7292 wrote: post #215
ncouture wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The title of the original article feels like click-baiut to me. It's covering an act of violence under the pretext that people hate AI. In fact it's a very sad story about a 20 year old throwing their life away instead of fighting for what he believes is right through non-violent activism and/or regulations. Last year I wrote an article asking the very question "Who will be the next Luddites?", National Geographics f…

Non-violent means don't work and get you killed by cops. This is what the people are left with.

Non-violent protests do work, though they require you hit a critical mass to become effective. There even exists a 3.5% rule[1] in political science whereby authoritarian governments will topple if 3.5% of the population engages in nonviolent protest.

One of the more famous examples here in the US is that of the equal rights marches in the 1960s ultimately leading to the end of segregation.

What I'm not sure of, though, is what kind of impact there is on the required percentage of people participating when we have media outlets like Fox News, which was demonstrated to have fabricated images during events like the Black Lives Matter protests to make them look as if they were violent.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule

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Post by bdangubic »

cortesoft wrote: post #44

I feel like their are (at least) three main critiques of AI, and I wish we could debate them separately, because I think they each have different resolutions. The first is the fear of job loss, and I feel like this is the most straightforward to deal with. Personally, I think the solution should be to share the productivity of AI with society at large, in particular since AI owes most of its abilities to training on…

USA will never have UBI, period. So any idea that includes any mention of is an absolute non-starter. Outside of the USA, perhaps, but for us that is never happening.

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Post by salawat »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #223
Tyrubias wrote: post #41

This was evident everywhere except within the AI industry itself. The rhetoric from many of the industry’s top leaders has been “this technology will eliminate millions of jobs, fundamentally reshape countless other jobs, and automate the use of lethal force, but we’re going to develop it anyways”. Many of the current economic woes, including mass layoffs, have been blamed on AI by the very executives conducting said…

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>People hate admitting the truth. Everything you said here is utter bs that people say to lie to themselves.

Stares at poster silently from a lotus position waiting for the enlightenment lightbulb

>I’m sick and tired of AI hatred without people facing the truth. People hate AI because AI is on a trajectory to replace them and become better than a human. That is the fundamental reality.

Nu-bie, come, sit, be silent & reflect. When was the last time a tool was made that truly replaced the wielder? Without the wielder, a tool is nothing, without the tool, the wielder still strides as a beacon of divine potential.

>Look don’t get angry at me. If you are on HN chances are you’re most likely delusional and completely wrong about AI.

Continues staring in silence awaiting the moment of enlightenment

>Now my company won’t even hire someone who hasn’t used Claude and I haven’t touched a text editor or ide in half a year. Same with the teeming hordes of experts on HN who said driverless cars will never come. All wrong. People on this site need to stop jumping on these band wagons of stupidity and pointless blame games.

Nu-bie. Does the man disappear because the machine exists? Or is he redirected according to his nature? What nature consumes a man abandoned by his tribe? Surrounded by hoarders of the necessities & means of life? Reflect on this. Reflect also on the potential capabilities of a group of people that through attention to detail, great patience, and acts of artifice on behalf of their fellows once enabled the animation and thinking of rocks. Think very carefully about this.

>Can we talk about that rather than blame corporations for being what they’ve been since before AI? Yeah corporations are psychopaths and corrupt and nobody cares. Same story till the end of time. We are on a cusp of a paradigm shift and your skills as a programmer are about to be utterly trashed because an AI is on trajectory to dominate your skills.

The corporation is as a cup. It's direction is controlled and agency guided by men. It is the oldest form of AI, with us for hundreds of years. The only thing keeping it in check being the occasional times of great strife during which generations of men wrestle the beast, to remind ourselves of wherein our problems truly originate.

>Face reality.

Nu-bie, it is time for you to resume your chores. You have not been enlightened.

Re: The AI industry is discovering that the public hates it

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Post by TrevorFSmith »

cortesoft wrote: post #44

I feel like their are (at least) three main critiques of AI, and I wish we could debate them separately, because I think they each have different resolutions. The first is the fear of job loss, and I feel like this is the most straightforward to deal with. Personally, I think the solution should be to share the productivity of AI with society at large, in particular since AI owes most of its abilities to training on…

I think you're missing one of the major reasons people are against "AI": the jerks at the top. When obviously nefarious people are lining their pockets and not bothering to even pretend to care about the people around them, it's no surprise they're hated.

Re: The AI industry is discovering that the public hates it

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Post by rexpop »

bwhiting2356 wrote: post #141
masijo wrote: post #56

AI has automated my favorite part of the job: coding. Gone is all the experience in clean code, good idioms, etc. All replaced by easily generated shitty code that can be removed and generated again as we please, until it works. No thought about the quality of code itself. Some companies are straight up forcing programmers to live in Claude Code and never even see the code, just write the spec. It’s disgusting. And t…

Just because tractors are here doesn't mean you can't garden as a hobby. I'm also tired of the slop, but this is a culture and management problem. Every software job I've had there was tension between speed and maintainability.

Wow, this comments exhibits a stunningly anemic appreciation for human dignity and self-determination.
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