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Re: Ubuntu 26.04

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Post by tuna74 »

dijit wrote: post #225
tuna74 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A desktop/workstation/whatever should have a graphical user interface. If you want another GUI you can choose another distro (like Kubuntu etc).

where exactly did I say anything contrary to what you said. Are you implying that GNOME is the only thing that should be considered graphical? That everything else has to be an alternative? That GNOME, by virtue of existing has infinite reprieve to change the definition of user interfaces at their leisure; even if it means breaking muscle memory hundreds of thousands of times over decades. I don’t follow the point of…

Ubuntu can have one GUI and Kubuntu can have another. Every distro can't be everything for every person.

Re: Ubuntu 26.04

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Post by dijit »

tuna74 wrote: post #251
dijit wrote: post #225

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where exactly did I say anything contrary to what you said. Are you implying that GNOME is the only thing that should be considered graphical? That everything else has to be an alternative? That GNOME, by virtue of existing has infinite reprieve to change the definition of user interfaces at their leisure; even if it means breaking muscle memory hundreds of thousands of times over decades. I don’t follow the point of…

Ubuntu can have one GUI and Kubuntu can have another. Every distro can't be everything for every person.

Lets put KDE as the default for Ubuntu and have GNOME available on Gnubuntu instead. :)

Re: Ubuntu 26.04

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Post by IshKebab »

aragilar wrote: post #183
IshKebab wrote: post #163

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Fair point. Though tbh I still think the user-isolation security for Linux is only really suited for the University/company threat model, where you generally trust users not to actually use exploits because they would get expelled/fired. If you allow a completely untrusted user onto your system I think your chances of staying secure are low.

Then why rewrite coreutils in rust? TOCTOU isn't exact some new concept. Neither are https://owasp.org/Top10/2025/ (most of which a good web framework will prevent or migrate), and switching to rust (which as far as I know) won't bring you a safer web framework like django or rails.

I don't know their motivations but mine would be:

1. Rust is a much more pleasant language to work with.

2. You can improve the tools, adding new features, fixing UX paper cuts etc.

You're probably thinking "you can improve the GNU versions!" and in theory sure. But in practice these sorts of tools are controlled by naysayers who want everything to stay as it was in the 80s. The sorts of people that only accept patches via git send-email to a mailing list.

Hahaha I just looked up GNU Coreutils and not only do they blame poor UX on the user ("Often these perceived bugs are simply due to wrong program usage.") but they even maintain a list of rejected feature requests:

https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/rejected_requests.htm...

And to nobody's surprise, to contribute it is git send-email to a mailing list.

Re: Ubuntu 26.04

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Post by throw0101a »

bravetraveler wrote: post #240
throw0101a wrote: post #236

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> On 25.10, removing snap gets rid of firefox, chromium, cups and many more packages. For servers, this may not be a problem for us. Currently on 24.04, so will have to see how things are ≥25.10.

Some server stuff is hit too! I learned about this pattern through the BGP daemon 'frr' . No idea how many server packages are/may be captured by Snap, but it's worth being aware of. Imagine my surprise. Remove it and bam, no networking.

Seems to also be available as a Debian package:

* https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=frr

in addition to a Snap:

* https://snapcraft.io/install/frr/ubuntu

Doing a quick test on 24.04: on a system without snapd installed, `apt install frr` installs packages and not any Snap stuff. Will have to see about 26.04 when I get a moment.

Re: Ubuntu 26.04

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Post by panick21_ »

bboozzoo wrote: post #114
compounding_it wrote: post #9

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PopOS

Isn't that essentially a release of Ubuntu with a different kernel, DE and maybe some userspace utilities?

PopOS started as Ubuntu with better hardware enablment but it has evolved far beyond that. They have been removing all the snap stuff. The have done tons of work on DE (Cosmic) and in general don't go along with Gnome or Ubuntu strangness. But yes its Ubuntu and Debian derived.

Re: Ubuntu 26.04

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Post by hnarn »

michaelt wrote: post #106
alprado50 wrote: post #42

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Is this even true? I mean, Windows is the main focus for all hardware vendors, and everybody who has owned a PC knows that malfunctions are unavoidable. If that is the case for Windows, then Linux cant be better.

There's working, and there's working. 20 years ago your Linux installation might not include wifi drivers, bluetooth support, decent GPU drivers, fat32/ntfs drivers, or the widely used video/audio codecs of the era. And you had to be careful when shopping for things like wifi cards, as only certain chipsets could be made to work. Much of which was kinda fair enough, because if you're a volunteer making an open source…

> 20 years ago your Linux installation might not include wifi drivers, bluetooth support, decent GPU drivers, fat32/ntfs drivers, or the widely used video/audio codecs of the era.

To be quite fair, this is pretty much the only reason Ubuntu exists. It started off as "Debian for people who just want stuff to work", but these days Debian even ships non-free wifi drivers on the install media. I've personally used both extensively and apart from the "enterprise support" argument and the minor convenience of having ZFS pre-compiled, I see no reason to use Ubuntu.

Re: Ubuntu 26.04

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Post by OneOffAsk »

abrookewood wrote: post #64
jklmnopqrstuvw wrote: post #43

Ubuntu 26 + KDE Plasma 6.6 perfectly handles high-DPI scaling for me. I was originally planning to buy a Mac, but luckily I saw the news about Ubuntu 26 being released a few days ago.

I've just moved to a Mac for the first time, after using Windows for work for decades and Linux as my primary desktop for about 3 or 4 years. It certainly takes some getting use to: - Keyboard shortcuts are all different - Doesn't seem to like my Microsoft ergonomic keyboard (lots of keys do nothing) - I really hate the dock - Limited customisation on the menu bar - I also hate the universal menu thing / menu bar in…

> Fonts look fat or washed out

Disable font smoothing and restart/relogin.

  defaults -currentHost write -g AppleFontSmoothing -int 0

Re: Ubuntu 26.04

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Post by bravetraveler »

throw0101a wrote: post #254
bravetraveler wrote: post #240

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Some server stuff is hit too! I learned about this pattern through the BGP daemon 'frr' . No idea how many server packages are/may be captured by Snap, but it's worth being aware of. Imagine my surprise. Remove it and bam, no networking.

Seems to also be available as a Debian package: * https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=frr in addition to a Snap: * https://snapcraft.io/install/frr/ubuntu Doing a quick test on 24.04: on a system without snapd installed, `apt install frr` installs packages and not any Snap stuff. Will have to see about 26.04 when I get a moment.

Thanks for digging in, as I mentioned earlier in this thread/another [lost track], I haven't messed with this in at least two LTS releases. Good to see it's aware at install time; this wasn't always the case.

How about the inverse, purging? At one point, removing Snap would lose BGP announcements [through the loss of the 'frr' software/service it was managing].

Anyway, I'm willing to believe most of my install/dependency-resolution pain was inspired by [and limited to] 18.04 or whatever was immediately after. We had a fleet of systems inadvertently moved to Snap, only learned through a loss of announcements on removal.

edit: Tested on a 24.04 box I had laying around; removing Snap does indeed still rip out things one might want:

    $ sudo apt purge snapd
    [...]
    Stopping snap.frr.ripngd.service
    Stopping unit snap.frr.ripngd.service
    [...]
    Stopping snap.frr.zebra.service
Likely fine in your case, where if memory serves, you're removing Snap in the image/provisioning stage. Cooks in busy kitchens may still be surprised, however. The real problem appears solved: 'you' get the software 'you' asked for.

Re: Ubuntu 26.04

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Post by LtWorf »

whyagaindavid wrote: post #210
LtWorf wrote: post #57

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run "apt install firefox" and you'll end up with having snaps again.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w... Do you mean you just don't follow instructions?

Why are you linking mozilla.org if we're talking about ubuntu?

Re: Ubuntu 26.04

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Post by Izkata »

lproven wrote: post #154
linmob wrote: post #44

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As a trackpoint user, I am glad it's off by default. Because of scrolling on Thinkpad keyboards (using the middle click), I had to turn that feature of every time, especially while working on longer documents I would otherwise accidentally paste stuff at random places. (It's not just macOS.)

No way, José. From where I sit I have 5 Thinkpads set up within reach, and I have a few more in other rooms. They are by far my preferred laptop. Most run Ubuntu as their default OS, most have the trackpad disabled because I usually use the trackpoint for everything, and on all of them I use middle-click to paste extensively.

I'm guessing you have touchpad corners enabled. Usually by default lower-right is 2nd mouse button and upper-right is 3rd mouse button (middle click).

I only use the touchpad, but knowing where it is I can avoid it and almost never trigger it accidentally. It can also be disabled without affecting two-finger and three-finger tap, which I do use.

(This applies to all laptops, not just Thinkpads)

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