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Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by HybridStatAnim8 »

ryandrake wrote: post #222
HybridStatAnim8 wrote: post #163

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All of the defensiveness is warranted. They speak neutrally and objectively. The project is not going to relinquish control to any 3rd party. Not even the Motorola partnership is given control over the GOS project. The hypothetical you describe is not possible by design. The GOS project takes no issue with critical thinking, and encourages it. But that is often used as an excuse to handwave attacks. There is a very b…

> The GOS project takes no issue with critical thinking, and encourages it. But that is often used as an excuse to handwave attacks. There is a very big difference between criticism/critical thinking and attacking them. Responding to attacks so defensively is almost alway a bad look for organizations. They could really use a PR person with a more measured voice that corrects facts and projects confidence, and does no…

I would not use those words to describe the approach they take. They make the effort to speak neutrally and objectively, but the issues they are making light of are often exactly as extreme and common as they describe. Many people have voiced appreciation that they decide against a "corporate-speak" approach. The GrapheneOS accounts are meant to be accounts that let project members speak to users, rather than take on a corporate appearance.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by other8026 »

joemazerino wrote: post #245

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> Hopefully the HN mods will unflag the astroturfing campaign done by GrapheneOS here to allow a good healthy discussion.

A quick Google search shows that you've been attacking Daniel for a long time using this account. You complain about moderation and astroturfing and I find tons of posts by you attacking Daniel. You clearly have some sort of weird vendetta against him. Don't pretend to want a "good healthy discussion" when all you seem to be interested in is attacking him further.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by margalabargala »

ryanmcbride wrote: post #40
margalabargala wrote: post #28

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Things aren't only bad if they're illegal. There's plenty of bad things one can do that are perfectly legal, and plenty of good things one can do that are totally illegal.

It's not clear to me that causing "financial damages" to the person described is even a bad thing.

If you prevent your grandparent from getting scammed, you've caused financial damages to the scammer.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by antonvs »

rrvsh wrote: post #225

Frankly insane and speaks to the entitlement of many users that they are against Micay and GOS on this primarily because their online comms are abrasive; I'm used to this having seen the same from many in the Minecraft and Skyrim mods communities, but it still stands saying: You are not owed ANYTHING from a free software developer. They can say anything they want to you and revoke the software at any point or anythin…

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Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by antonvs »

other8026 wrote: post #219
antonvs wrote: post #60

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All the stuff about members of our team not being stable is ridiculous and only works in favor of people or organizations that don't like us or want to damage GrapheneOS. GrapheneOS has multiple people helping out. Many developers as well as people who help out with non-development work. It's a big claim to say that the whole team is unstable. I'd suggest reading the article again. Considering the situation, the part…

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Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by mapotofu »

It seems very plausible to me that there is a vested interest in seeding drama and chaos into the reputation of GOS. Why wouldn’t there be? Especially when it seems there’s an easy way to trigger Micay, and there are cottage industries online specializing in exactly this sort of thing.

I get the sense a lot of people care about this project and care about defending it but good luck against the propaganda and bullshit like this that comes along with it.

I really enjoy GOS and used it as a daily driver for ~3 years

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Post by kennywinker »

exceptione wrote: post #78
kennywinker wrote: post #58

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What exactly are you suggesting? If i go help out at the graphene os project, that won’t change their leadership. Should I make my own fork?

The GOS (GrapheneOS) lead had responded to criticisms like yours that he gladly retreats inside his tech role if others would take it upon them to refute the claims from rivals. So if you are that balanced, normal person, you could take that work out of his hands. Or help fund a full time PR person. «In 2018, matters between Micay and Donaldson came to a head over Donaldson’s desire to pursue business deals with crim…

Ah yes, i’ll definitely be volunteering my time to help with something i have no experience or qualifications about. Great idea.

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Post by sandmn »

Jamesbeam wrote: post #136
kelvinjps10 wrote: post #115

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he is not pro-Putin, the Telegram team was forced to leave and it has been blocked several times in Russia.

Not being pro-Putin doesn’t really matter to Putin. If he tells Durov to sit and be a good dog, Durov will sit and be a good dog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Kk7kobMQY

Unlikely the case, Telegram is the app that Russian government is most focused on blocking right now, it's almost impossible to use without proxy or VPN.

Not saying Durov is perfect but video you linked is about guy who has all his assets in Russia while Durov has none.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by ysnp »

joemazerino wrote: post #246
ysnp wrote: post #122

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Phantom Secure is directly named as one of the parties Donaldson was dealing with, with others being suspected: > Donaldson tried to make a deal with Phantom Secure, which ultimately didnt work out. Micay suspected other counterparties were linked to organized crime, but we cannot confirm those identities or ties on short notice. Donaldson began pursuing such deals before Micay left and continued afterward. https://d…

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From what I've read I understand it is more like:

/e/OS (recipient of EU funding) and iodéOS are European projects that have not been singled out by the French government in smearing despite them having the similar self-professed goals to GrapheneOS. That they had any influence at all on the French government directly is speculated but not asserted.

CalyxOS/Techlore are blamed for being complicit in escalating the animosity and furore around what were initially low-key fallouts/disagreements. This led to GrapheneOS/Micay escalating to defend themselves which unchecked fuelled a spiral of influencer content, vile spamming of CSAM in GrapheneOS rooms (I can personally attest these were some of the biggest on Matrix at the time and led to the team giving up on Matrix moderation and self-protection capabilities), intense public speculation/accusations about Micay's character/mental health etc. which eventually resulted in the swatting attempts.

F-Droid project members have publicly aired their dislike of Daniel as a result of direct or indirect disagreements and did have a software quirk that caused an issue for GrapheneOS/possibly other custom OSes' users due to their added permission (which the two parties again disagreed on). Conspires is loaded wording.

But I do not think it is productive for me to dredge up posts and potentially cause more misunderstandings as a complete outsider for something that is directly affecting someone's life like this. They (Micay/GrapheneOS) have posted detailed contextual snippets and information about what has happened so please contact them directly for reference to the original posts and discuss if you really wish to find out more.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by fsflover »

TommyTran732 wrote: post #243
fsflover wrote: post #240

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> there is nothing that GrapheneOS or Micay says regarding the Librem or Pinephone that are inaccurate. This is completely false: > Their microphone kill switch also doesn't prevent audio recording

> Their microphone kill switch also doesn't prevent audio recording It doesn't prevent audio recording in the super paranoid "oh, the whole phone has been compromised" scenario because it is bypassable via the sensors. In fact, it doesn't even protect the phone in normal operation, because apps with device=all can access the sensors without the whole phone being compromised. It doesn't prevent audio recording with an…

> because it is bypassable via the sensors.

Did you even look in my link, which we are discussing? My quote from there:

> Sensors are also switched off on Librem 5 by the three kill switches: https://puri.sm/posts/lockdown-mode-on-the-librem-5-beyond-h...

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