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Qwen3.6-Max-Preview: Smarter, Sharper, Still Evolving

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Re: Qwen3.6-Max-Preview: Smarter, Sharper, Still Evolving

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Post by devilsdata »

WarmWash wrote: post #66
ninjahawk1 wrote: post #29

The way to develop in this space seems to be to give away free stuff, get your name out there, then make everything proprietary. I hope they still continue releasing open weights. The day no one releases open weights is a sad day for humanity. Normal people won’t own their own compute if that ever happens.

The Chinese state wants the world using their models. People think that Chinese AI labs are just super cool bros that love sharing for free. The don't understand it's just a state sponsored venture meant to further entrench China in global supply and logistics. China's VCs are Chinese banks and a sprinkle of "private" money. Private in quotes because technically it still belongs to the state anyway. China doesn't hav…

I'm Aussie. Please explain to me; why should I care whether Chinese SOEs or the US tech companies are winning? Neither have my best interests at heart.

Re: Qwen3.6-Max-Preview: Smarter, Sharper, Still Evolving

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Post by djyde »

djyde wrote: post #248

I've been using glm5.1 for pretty much all my coding work, but Claude is too expensive for me. Haven't tried qwen yet though. China's coding models are now very cost-effective.

But I've recently found that Cursor's composer2 is also really good to use.

Re: Qwen3.6-Max-Preview: Smarter, Sharper, Still Evolving

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Post by gck1 »

ezekiel68 wrote: post #201
alex7o wrote: post #71

Ok I find it funny that people compare models and are like, opus 4.7 is SOTA and is much better etc, but I have used glm 5.1 (I assume this comes form them training on both opus and codex) for things opus couldn't do and have seen it make better code, haven't tried the qwen max series but I have seen the local 122b model do smarter more correct things based on docs than opus so yes benchmarks are one thing but realit…

Qwen3-Coder produced much better rust code (that utilized rust's x86-64 vectorized extensions) a few months ago than Claude Opus or Google Gemini could. I was calling it from harnesses such as the Zed editor and trae CLI. I was very impressed.

I think claude in general, writes very lazy, poor quality code, but it writes code that works in fewer iterations. This could be one of the reasons behind it's popularity - it pushes towards the end faster at all costs.

Every time codex reviews claude written rust, I can't explain it, but it almost feels like codex wants to scream at whoever wrote it.

Re: Qwen3.6-Max-Preview: Smarter, Sharper, Still Evolving

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Post by gck1 »

Mashimo wrote: post #169
Moosdijk wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why glm is viewed so positively. Every time I try to build something with it, the output is worse than other models I use (Gemini, Claude), it takes longer to reach an answer and plenty of times it gets stuck in a loop.

I have used GLM 4.7, 5 and 5.1 now for about 3 month via OpenCode harness and I don't remember it every being stuck in a loop. You have to keep it below ~100 000 token, else it gets funny in the head. I only use it for hobby projects though. Paid 3 EUR per month, that is not longer available though :( Not sure what I will choose end of month. Maybe OpenCode Go.

That's unfortunate. 70-80k tokens is roughly the point where I start wrapping up with giving agent required context even on the small to medium sized requests.

That would leave almost no tokens for actual work

Re: Qwen3.6-Max-Preview: Smarter, Sharper, Still Evolving

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Post by gck1 »

slopinthebag wrote: post #225
Aurornis wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For serious work, the difference between spending $10/month and $100/month is not even worth considering for most professional developers. There are exceptions like students and people in very low income countries, but I’m always confused by developers with in careers where six figure salaries are normal who are going cheap on tools. I find even the SOTA models to be far away from trustworthy for anything beyond thro…

$100 / month will get you rate limited to much to rely on with the Claude plans. People still report getting rate limited on the $200 / plan. Also not everyone wants to use Claude Code, so if they're paying API pricing it's more likely thousands of dollars a month. If you can get the same results by spending a fraction of that, why wouldn't you?

And people report getting limited on the $200 plan is putting it very mildly.

You can't do any serious work on it without rationing your work and kneecapping your workflows, to the point where you design workflows around anthropic usage limit woodoo rather than what actually works.

Without this, I run into WEEKLY usage limits on $200 plan, working on a single codebase, one feature at a time, on just day 3.

Re: Qwen3.6-Max-Preview: Smarter, Sharper, Still Evolving

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Post by enneff »

koen_hendriks wrote: post #250
dymk wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You give it command line access in a VM...

You mean a VM like the one that contains a 0day that can escape the sandbox that gets found every year at pwn2own?

Presumably you’re also using a browser to view this web page. There have also been vulnerabilities in that. You have to draw a line somewhere.

Re: Qwen3.6-Max-Preview: Smarter, Sharper, Still Evolving

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Post by NobleLie »

jxmesth wrote: post #182
alex7o wrote: post #71

Ok I find it funny that people compare models and are like, opus 4.7 is SOTA and is much better etc, but I have used glm 5.1 (I assume this comes form them training on both opus and codex) for things opus couldn't do and have seen it make better code, haven't tried the qwen max series but I have seen the local 122b model do smarter more correct things based on docs than opus so yes benchmarks are one thing but realit…

The only reason I'm stuck with Claude and Chatgpt is because of their tool calling. They do have some pretty useful features like skills etc. I've tried using qwen and deepseek but they can't even output documents. How are you guys handling documents and excels with these tools? I'd love to switch tbh.

Yep Claude Code CLI does A LOT (which is now confirmed even more)
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