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Measuring Claude 4.7's tokenizer costs

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In Kolkata, sweet sellers was struggling with cost management after covid due to increased prices of raw materials. But they couldn't increase the price any further without losing customers. So they reduced the size of sweets instead, and market slowly reduced expectations. And this is the new normal now. Human psychology is surprisingly similar, and same pattern comes across domains.

See also: Shrinkflation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrinkflation)

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That post doesn't address the human factor of cost, and I don't mean that in a good way. Even if AI costs more than a human, it's tireless, doesn't need holidays, is never going to have to go to HR for sexual harassment issues, won't show up hungover or need an advance to pay for a dying relative's surgery. It can be turned on and off with the flip of a switch. Hire 30 today, fire 25 of them next week. Spin another 5…

I think it's difficult to say agentic and human developer labor are fungible in the real world at this point. Agents may succeed in discrete tasks, like those in a benchmark assessment, but those requiring a larger context window (i.e. working in brownfield systems, which is arguably the bulk of development work) favor developers for now. Not to mention that at this point a lot of necessary context is not encoded in…

For some the appeal of agent over human is the lack of accountability. “Agent, find me ten targets in iran to blow up” - “Okay, great idea! This military strike isn’t just innovative - it’s game changing! A reddit comment from ten years ago says that military often uses schools to hide weapons, so here is a list of the ten most crowded schools in Iran”

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> It wouldn't surprise me if in 2-3 years the "max" plan is $800 or $2000 even. I'd rather be surprised if they are still doing business by then.

I would not be surprised at all, a $1,000/mo tool that makes your $20,000/mo engineer a lot more productive is an easy sell. I’m guessing we’re gonna have a world like working on cars - most people won’t have expensive tools (ex a full hydraulic lift) for personal stuff, they are gonna have to make do with lesser tools.

noway.

i bought a $3k AMD395+ under the Sam Altman price hike and its got a local model that readily accomplishes medial tasks.

theres a ceiling to these price hikes because open weights will keep popping up as competitors tey to advertise their wares.

sure, we POV different capabilities but theres definitely not that much cash in propfietary models for their indererminance

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Skeptical is a light way to put it. It is essentially a forgone conclusion that once a company IPOs, any veil that they might be working for the global good is entirely lifted. A publicly traded company is legally obligated to go against the global good.

The problem is that people equate money to power and power to evil. So no matter what, if you do something lots of people like (and hence compensate you for), you will be evil. It's a very interesting quirk of human intuition.

Money and power are good when used democratically to clearly benefit the majority of the people. They are bad otherwise. It is hard to see this because we live in such a regime that exists in the negative space seemingly without beginning or end. Other countries have different relationships to their population.

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In Kolkata, sweet sellers was struggling with cost management after covid due to increased prices of raw materials. But they couldn't increase the price any further without losing customers. So they reduced the size of sweets instead, and market slowly reduced expectations. And this is the new normal now. Human psychology is surprisingly similar, and same pattern comes across domains.

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Anybody else having problem getting Opus 4.7 to write code? I had it pick up a month-old project, some small one off scripts that I want to modify, and it refused to even touch the code.

So far it costs a lot less, because I'm not going to be using it.

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Labeling power evil is not automatic, its just making an observation of the common case. Money-backed power almost never works for the forces of good, and the people who claim they're gonna be good almost always end up being evil when they're rich and powerful enough. See also: Google.

Google is the company that created a class-less non-hierarchical internet. Everyone can get the same access to the same services regardless of wealth or personhood. Google is probably the most progressive company to ever exist, because money stops no one from being able to leverage google's products. Born in the bush of the Congo or high rise of Manhatten, you are granted the same google account with the same service…

> Google is the company that created a class-less non-hierarchical internet.

Can you explain what you mean by this? I disagree but I don't understand how you think Google did this so I am very curious.

For my part, I started using the internet before Google, and I strongly hold the opinion that Google's greatest contribution to the internet was utterly destroying its peer to peer, free, open exchange model by being the largest proponent of centralizing and corporatizing the web.

Re: Measuring Claude 4.7's tokenizer costs

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Anybody else having problem getting Opus 4.7 to write code? I had it pick up a month-old project, some small one off scripts that I want to modify, and it refused to even touch the code. So far it costs a lot less, because I'm not going to be using it.

No, see, we have to leave writing code to fully identity-verified individuals working on behalf of only the largest institutions now because what if they decided to write malware?
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