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OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable

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Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable

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wqes2 wrote: post #148
prepend wrote: post #137

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How much easier is it to ask an app than to ask google?

He’s part of the accelerationist crowd - interesting to see that his hype fuelled posts are pretty tame now. Months ago he was blabbering on about AGI and peddling the marketing Sam et al want people to fall for. And indeed - yes we have a new interface? So what. The search cost wasn’t that high - the cost with immense magnitude is reading, absorbing the information and then acting on it. Also this bozo fails to real…

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Post by lettergram »

tdeck wrote: post #114
lettergram wrote: post #103

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You can buy books on how to make and obtain chemicals on your own. Hell here's an Internet Archive book on making explosives https://archive.org/details/saxon-kurt.-fireworks-explosives... . If you ever chat with older folks pre-90's much of this information was accessible fairly easily. It only changed with the push by the government to crackdown on Waco, Oklahoma City bombing, militias and other related groups. The…

> The item you have requested had an error: Item cannot be found. which prevents us from displaying this page.

Clicking the link splits off the ".", which is interesting but necessary.

Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

prepend wrote: post #137
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #120

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People are not complaining because the information is available people are complaining because it’s way easier now to just download an app ask a bunch of questions in a text box and get a bunch of answers that you personally could not have done unless you had an excessive amount of energy and motivation I personally think all this is great and I’m excited for all information to become trivially available Are they gon…

How much easier is it to ask an app than to ask google?

Well it would appear a lot easier given how people are reacting right now

As the OP indicated all of this information has always been accessible if you had the energy to go hunt it down

Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

wqes2 wrote: post #148
prepend wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much easier is it to ask an app than to ask google?

He’s part of the accelerationist crowd - interesting to see that his hype fuelled posts are pretty tame now. Months ago he was blabbering on about AGI and peddling the marketing Sam et al want people to fall for. And indeed - yes we have a new interface? So what. The search cost wasn’t that high - the cost with immense magnitude is reading, absorbing the information and then acting on it. Also this bozo fails to real…

I must really have captured somebody’s attention because I got farms now creating accounts just to respond to me which is fucking crazy but hey here we are

Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #153
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #120

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People are not complaining because the information is available people are complaining because it’s way easier now to just download an app ask a bunch of questions in a text box and get a bunch of answers that you personally could not have done unless you had an excessive amount of energy and motivation I personally think all this is great and I’m excited for all information to become trivially available Are they gon…

> people are complaining because it’s way easier now to just download an app ask a bunch of questions in a text box and get a bunch of answers that you personally could not have done unless you had an excessive amount of energy and motivation Wait, I'm confused. This is gatekeeping, right? I thought gatekeeping was a Bad Thing!

It’s like anything else

once people realize something is powerful they have to try to put it in a box

the people who’ve been working on AGI for the last 30 years, including guys like me, have been talking about this problem since basically forever

I’ll give credit that at least the AI Box problem was interesting thought experiment for newbies

Reap what “yew” sew

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Post by Ajedi32 »

Planktonne wrote: post #244
jstummbillig wrote: post #190

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Man, this debate is both very interesting and highly confusing with different people oscillating between "It's just a tool" and "It's a human being+"

It is a tool, but it's a tool that is sold by OpenAI as providing a high degree of intelligence. That's an endorsement of what the tool outputs as advice, which is what makes them responsible.

> That's an endorsement of what the tool outputs as advice

That's not even close to true!

Even if you've been living under a rock for the last 5 years and didn't already know these models are not reliable, pretty much every provider has a disclaimer next to the chat box informing you of that fact.

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Post by WarmWash »

zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #182
WarmWash wrote: post #56

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While scary, information like this has been pretty accessible for 20-30 years now. In the wild west days of the early internet, there were whole forums devoted to "stuff the government doesn't want you to know" (Temple Of The Screaming Electron, anyone?). I suppose the friction is scariest part, every year the IQ required to end the world drops by a point, but motivated and mildly intelligent people have been able to…

My username is a reference to the successor to totse. Totse was the first board I spent a lot of time on

Heh, I'm sure there are a few more wondering around here. Zoklet never clicked for me, but totse was my home for years.

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Post by Ajedi32 »

jcranmer wrote: post #101
jstummbillig wrote: post #10

I am not sure what the other side of this argument looks like: Unlimited liability (i.e. liability no matter how poor an implementation and use of the tech is)? The would be quite a novel burden, that no other tech (afaik) had to carry so far. We always assumed some operator responsibility. It's interesting to think of AI as a tech that could feasible be able to internally guardrail itself, and, maybe more so with in…

Every other field in history considers it de rigeur that you're liable for the failure of quality in the products you produce. You make drugs that hurt people? You're liable. You build a building that falls down? You're liable. You serve coffee that literally burns the people drinking it? You're liable. It's also not new--the Code of Hammurabi (some 6000 years ago) prescribes the death penalty for people who build ho…

It is an unreasonable burden to ask the impossible. The technology to create an AI incapable of hurting people if misused or blindly trusted literally doesn't exist right now.

It'd be like holding a builder liable for their bridge being unable to withstand being hit by a meteor.

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Post by ticulatedspline »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #225
ticulatedspline wrote: post #213

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I categorize this kind of stuff as "Crisis of accessibility" . AI is not alone in this territory, happens all over the place. Basically it's a problem that's existed for ages but the barrier to entry was high enough we didn't care. Think 3D printing, it's not all that hard to make a zip gun or similar home-made firearm, but it's still harder than selecting an STL and hitting print. You could always find info about ho…

> Think 3D printing, it's not all that hard to make a zip gun or similar home-made firearm, but it's still harder than selecting an STL and hitting print There were hundreds of mass shootings in America in 2025 alone [1]. None of them involved a 3D-printed weapon. To my knowledge, there has been one confirmed shooting with a 3D-printed gun, and it didn't uniquely enable the crime. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li…

That's mostly because they suck (for now, who knows when we'll get home metal printing), also it's easy to get real guns. also crises of accessibility could be predicate on merely the perception that the barrier is now too low rather than actual harm.

I don't really think photoshop, flat bed scanners and half decent inkjets really facilitated a lot of counterfeit currency but there was the same panic back then and "protections" put in place.

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Post by simoncion »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #218
52-6F-62 wrote: post #209

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So what you are saying is we can expect the number of accidental home-made chlorine-gas (and the like) toxic events go up.

> what you are saying is we can expect the number of accidental home-made chlorine-gas (and the like) toxic events go up Maybe? One of the quirks of gaining even a surface-level understanding of infrastructure is realising how vulnerable it is to a smart, motivated adversary. The main thing protecting us isn't hard security. It's most Americans having better shit to do than running a truck of fertiliser and oxidiser…

> It's most Americans having better shit to do than running a truck of fertiliser and oxidiser into a pylon.

FWIW, it's most people having better shit to do, regardless of nationality (or lack thereof).

But, yeah, anyone who takes a few weekends to understand how large-scale infrastructure works and consider why it's possible for nearly all of it to remain untargeted by saboteurs inevitably develops a resistance to the "Lots of Bad Guys are trying to kill us all the time, so we must enact $AUTHORITARIAN_POLICIES immediately to prevent them and keep us safe!!!" type of argument.

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