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Post by joquarky »

nickvec wrote: post #225
Apr1026 wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a saying in India that roughly translates to - Everyone is naked in this bath house. All AI players are 50 shades of evil and are only concerned about their profits. Instead of virtue signaling it's best to use the tools that work best for your needs.

There are varying degrees of evil though. Saying that Anthropic and OpenAI are both "evil" to the same degree is disingenuous (in my opinion) given Altman's sociopathic behavior.

You would have to practically live in a hippie commune to avoid buying products and services from companies led by sociopaths.

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Post by BAHKA »

Yizahi wrote: post #244
mrdependable wrote: post #107

It's interesting seeing all the ChatGPT users in this thread, knowing what we know about OpenAI. Either they don't care about what OpenAI does, don't know their reputation, or feel like their use is too insignificant to matter.

Absolutely not surprising. Just ask HN users what browser are they using and the answer will be Chrome or Chrome clone in 99% of cases. I even got a reply once along the lines "why do you use Firefox?". I was at a loss for words. I also observe exact same pattern in two different countries among experienced IT workers. They mostly don't care at all about any non-tech implications of the services or employees they are…

GPT user here ;) And Chrome user too :-D I can tell you straight away why I choose Chrome (or Chromium-based browsers) over Firefox. In fact it is very simple reason - speed. Just run Speedometer 3.1 and observe. On my machine Chrome produces around 45, Firefox stucks at 34. MotionMark - the difference is like x3. I have to use very heavy websites on a daily basis (like Salesforce) and I can literally feel the difference.

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Post by nealmueller »

antirez wrote: post #34

Very good move. In my experience, for system programming at least, GPT 5.4 xhigh is vastly superior to Claude Opus 4.6 max effort. I ran many brutal tests, including reconstructing for QEMU the SCSI controller (not longer accessible) of a SVSY UNIX of the early 90s used in a 386. Side by side, always re-mirroring the source trees each time one did a breakthrough in the implementation. Well, GPT 5.4 single handed did…

Price change is ChatGPT not Codex, you may be mixing them up, Codex (for coding) remains $200

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Post by wolttam »

swdf wrote: post #219
wolttam wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Development towards those goals will continue with or without massive investor capital, see Google’s involvement with Boston Dynamics. And plenty of very wealthy folks see the writing on the wall wrt robotics.

"Development towards those goals will continue with or without massive investor capital, see Google’s involvement with Boston Dynamics" Lol google holds and invests its shareholders cash on their behalf. Using that money comes with a cost - they demand a rate of return. Swear most of you need to take a corporate finance 101 class.

But Google is not a scrappy startup. They're sitting on over $100 bil in cash.

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Post by sixothree »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #116
antirez wrote: post #34

Very good move. In my experience, for system programming at least, GPT 5.4 xhigh is vastly superior to Claude Opus 4.6 max effort. I ran many brutal tests, including reconstructing for QEMU the SCSI controller (not longer accessible) of a SVSY UNIX of the early 90s used in a 386. Side by side, always re-mirroring the source trees each time one did a breakthrough in the implementation. Well, GPT 5.4 single handed did…

1000%. I have been running claude's work through codex for about a week now and it's insane the number of mistakes it catches. Not really sure why I've been doing this, just interesting to watch I guess. Not to mention a billion times more usage than you get with claude, dollar for dollar.

Funny, I've been doing the same thing. I've also been giving them both the same task and seeing who does a better job.

I think it's all of this controversy around usage limits and model nerfing that made me start doing this.

In the end though, I _much_ prefer working with claude because it understands the task at hand so much better and I feel like I understand the results better. It's just that codex is doing a better job at the actual coding lately.

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Post by esperent »

osti wrote: post #151
antirez wrote: post #34

Very good move. In my experience, for system programming at least, GPT 5.4 xhigh is vastly superior to Claude Opus 4.6 max effort. I ran many brutal tests, including reconstructing for QEMU the SCSI controller (not longer accessible) of a SVSY UNIX of the early 90s used in a 386. Side by side, always re-mirroring the source trees each time one did a breakthrough in the implementation. Well, GPT 5.4 single handed did…

Yup I've mentioned this in another thread, I got gpt 5.4xhigh to improve the throughout of a very complex non typical CUDA kernel by 20x. This was through a combination of architecture changes and then do low level optimizations, it did the profiling all by itself. I was extremely impressed.

Do you mean the non-codex model? Are people preferring normal GPT over codex?

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Post by esperent »

bob1029 wrote: post #235
krackers wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this different from a standard tool-call agentic loop, or subagents?

Each stack frame has its own isolated context. This pushes the token pressure down the stack. The top level conversation can go on for days in this arrangement. There is no need for summarization or other tricks.

This is just subagents.

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Post by esperent »

nealmueller wrote: post #253
antirez wrote: post #34

Very good move. In my experience, for system programming at least, GPT 5.4 xhigh is vastly superior to Claude Opus 4.6 max effort. I ran many brutal tests, including reconstructing for QEMU the SCSI controller (not longer accessible) of a SVSY UNIX of the early 90s used in a 386. Side by side, always re-mirroring the source trees each time one did a breakthrough in the implementation. Well, GPT 5.4 single handed did…

Price change is ChatGPT not Codex, you may be mixing them up, Codex (for coding) remains $200

I just checked the codex pricing page, it's pro 5x for $100, pro 20x for $200. The 20x plan has a codex usage boost until the end of may, whatever that means.

Edit: apparently the usage boost is an additional 2x for both 5x and 20x. So maybe it's time to start watching whichever of these services is currently doing offers like this and switch subscriptions every few months.

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Post by osti »

esperent wrote: post #256
osti wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup I've mentioned this in another thread, I got gpt 5.4xhigh to improve the throughout of a very complex non typical CUDA kernel by 20x. This was through a combination of architecture changes and then do low level optimizations, it did the profiling all by itself. I was extremely impressed.

Do you mean the non-codex model? Are people preferring normal GPT over codex?

I was using codex cli with 5.4xhigh. So it was able to iteratively improve from simple prompts on my part (can you give some architectural ideas to improve the performance? And once it does, I just say can you implement and benchmark it).

I think it was a bit like Karpathy's autoresearch, except I was doing manual promoting... Though I feel I could definitely be removed from that equation.

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