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81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Do you know how many old people get scammed per year in the United States because they are using technology that they are trained on, but assume that they have to use the technology in order to function each year with minimal practical gain relative to the costs? Its around 12.5 billion dollars in 2024, up from 10 billion in 2023 [1]. Why is introducing someone to that risk worth it to watch a baseball game? Assertin…

The numbers you mention are total fraud losses. Most of fraud has nothing to do with phones, it is fraudulent money transfers and card charges.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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>They're trying to prevent people who purchase the season pass to almost exclusively resell tickets to individual games. Why do you need a smartphone to do this when a white list checked against ID at the door would suffice? As the other respondent says, you either generate a badge for the passholder, or have an approved list of guests that can use the season pass if the passholder chooses to offer it to others.

And that will slow it down for everyone. Not to mention that HN users will then whine about the surveillance state

They can buy their tickets at the door so they don't have to show an ID.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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The point is it doesn't have to be life. We can make things so that you don't need a smartphone, but we choose not to. That's a choice, not some immutable reality of the universe.

Can we make things so that you don't need a smartphone? I don't think this is as trivial as you're making it out to be. Having a non-exfiltratable bearer token is really really hard. In order to present a zero-knowledge proof of the possession of a token you need to have some sort of challenge-response protocol. The simplest one, and the one in most common use (such as this) is a time-based method, where the shared k…

Forgery is a non-issue -- this guy is a season ticket holder. Literally all they need is his government ID checked against a list.

The "problem" they were trying to "solve" is letting people sell some of their tickets to third parties, but not all of them. That is understandably how they arrived at a mobile application as a solution

But the problem of admitting the original ticket holder is simple as shit. Just .... check his ID?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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What? We sold tickets for literally decades upon decades before smartphones came out. Of course you can do it, it's already been done!

Decades upon decades of holograms and watermarks on tickets to make them unforgeable. But it keeps getting easier to forge them. Meanwhile ticket prices keep increasing (venue space is one of the last things that's truly scarce) and the incentives for forgery keep increasing. Even if we could make them truly unforgeable, people generally want electronically transferrable tickets. How do you propose to do this?

Go ahead and require a special gadget to get an "electronically transferrable ticket," no skin off my back. That is a feature I will never use.

Don't bother your season ticket holders about getting their own person admitted! I am standing in front of you, bearing identification, and you are whining about a mobile app?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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And, expecting people who are happy with what they already have and have already paid for to switch to your newer, more complicated, more expensive system so that your numbers go up is another attitude that should not be tolerated.

I am sure that you also think they should have a place for his horses to feed because he doesn’t want to deal with a car.

Horses, no. That would impose quite a lot on everyone else. But walking, or taking the bus, vs. owning an expensive personal transportation device... yes.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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My wife and I had an appointment last week to apply for a line of credit. We talked it all through with the clerk and decided to go for it, so he started the whole process on his computer. His jaw dropped half-way through when he asked for my wife's and my phone number, and I had to tell him that I don't own a smart phone. Turns out you must have a smart phone because the system sends you some kind of code to verify…

> in order to identify me We should stop accepting this ridiculous excuse. Our phone numbers are not identifiers. How does me telling a bank "My phone number is 123-456-7890" give them any assurance whatsoever that I am the person whose name will be printed on a loan document?

Well, my case is the best proof of that: the phone number I ended up using was my mom's.

It's most definitely baloney because I also had to provide ID. So, certainly there is no way I could identify myself "even more" by giving them a phone number than by giving them a government issued ID.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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>Generating badges has loopholes. This seems to be an area where people will always find loopholes. Should this be a race-to-the-bottom in an attempt to make the most foolproof system possible, or do we at some point accept that maybe there's never going to be a perfect way to do this? >And IDing every person can be a mission on itself. I've worked the door at venues of various sizes, so it's not like I suggested thi…

For sure you can ID everyone. Nightclubs, music festivals and even airports do this sort of thing all the time. You just need good organisation, plenty of security stations, and an atmosphere that rewards people who arrive early - checking a stadium's worth of IDs over the course of 2-3 hours rather than over the course of 20 minutes. What you can't do is charge $20 for a glass of beer then expect people to arrive 2-…

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Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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From my quick research online, it seems they've gone digital-only for season tickets because they don't want people just reselling them to turn a profit. They want actual season-long fans, so now if you transfer too many games they can track it and ban you. This is essentially anti-scalping. There's a legit justification. You can still buy paper tickets at the stadium for a single game. But not for season passes anym…

Have you had the pleasure of coaching a technologically illiterate grandparent through the process of learning how to use a smartphone? It’s a never-ending job and disheartening for all parties involved. Modern mobile UX is not designed with accessibility for the elderly in mind, and it is constantly changing in a way that demands constant re-learning. Not to mention the disabilities and neurological conditions often…

The second biggest reason (after freedom to install apps) why I don't use an iphone is: for the love of God I can't use the gesture to switch windows. It used to be simple swipe up from bottom. Now you have to do an arc or something from the corner. I can never get it right.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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My wife and I had an appointment last week to apply for a line of credit. We talked it all through with the clerk and decided to go for it, so he started the whole process on his computer. His jaw dropped half-way through when he asked for my wife's and my phone number, and I had to tell him that I don't own a smart phone. Turns out you must have a smart phone because the system sends you some kind of code to verify…

I understand what you mean, however it's still quite hilarious that there is an user on checks notes hacker news, who does not have a phone. This reminds me of the Japanese cybersecurity minister who did not use a computer. Bonus points if you work at Apple, or Google and work on iOS or Android. Would explain a lot why they are the way they are.

I know I'm in the minority but I value privacy higher than convenience. I'm aware that not having a smart phone does not automatically equal total privacy, but I just cannot get myself to have a personal tracking device on me 24/7.
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