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Evolution is not involved anymore in this since effective measures for birth control became available.
Eh? Evolution functions whether procreation was intentional or not.
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In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
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Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
Evolution is not involved anymore in this since effective measures for birth control became available.
Eh? Evolution functions whether procreation was intentional or not.
Since we all live in the same global society, the existence of birth control technology has effects that are independent of evolutionary processes.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
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> These can't be simultaneously true. Nobody said that they can. >The techno utopia we imagine is a world where nobody has to work. All our needs are taken care of and we live a life of leisure. All our needs are taken care of in an imagined techno utopia. > But as long as there is ownership of the automated systems, those owners will hoard all the wealth generated by that automation. That utopia can not come if ther…
>That utopia can not come if there is private ownership of those automated systems. Who controls an automated system and whether enough automated systems exists to fulfill everyone's needs are separate things. You could have one person providing for the entire needs of the world by scaling themselves using AI.
> Who controls an automated system and whether enough automated systems exists to fulfill everyone's needs are separate things.
Again, nobody said that they were. You are arguing with yourself.
> You could have one person providing for the entire needs of the world by scaling themselves using AI.
Sure, and if one person owned all the automated system he could blackmail others, choose not to use those automated systems to fulfill the needs of some... it is beyond me that in the world we are currently living in somebody doesn't see it.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
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> Who do you trust more - the robots or the human staff? And I'm asking about America, or maybe, in Japan as foreigner? What do you mean with "trust"? Write down the right order? Or not spit in your food?
Both, mistakes or personal/ethnic/political dislike - not uncommon in these polarized times of "anything goes if you aren't caught".
That's IMHO not a concern at all in Japan. Being polite and accommodating to customers is held paramount.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
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And there will always be people who think that driving around in a heated/air-conditioned truck with a big claw that picks up and empties the cans is a fun job and will happily do it at any reasonable pay level. Not everyone wants to work in an office; some people really like working outside and being indoors is like prison.
Those jobs require some physical handling of the garbage. That big claw doesn't always work as expected, and when things go wrong, they have to get out and clean up the mess. There's also items that don't fit in the can and have to be manually handled. But you're right, the job isn't as bad as it used to be.
Well, my point wasn't really that the job has gotten easier, it's that some people simply prefer doing that kind of work.
I remember being in a meeting once when a manager looked out at the guys on a scaffold cleaning the windows and remarked "at least we don't have to be out there like them." My first thought was that they were probably thinking "at least we don't have to be inside like them."
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those jobs require some physical handling of the garbage. That big claw doesn't always work as expected, and when things go wrong, they have to get out and clean up the mess. There's also items that don't fit in the can and have to be manually handled. But you're right, the job isn't as bad as it used to be.
Well, my point wasn't really that the job has gotten easier, it's that some people simply prefer doing that kind of work. I remember being in a meeting once when a manager looked out at the guys on a scaffold cleaning the windows and remarked "at least we don't have to be out there like them." My first thought was that they were probably thinking "at least we don't have to be inside like them."
While I can understand the sentiment, I think most of this is fantasy. A lot of people vastly underestimate the toll manual labor takes on one's body. It may be nice to ponder "Wow, it must be so great to work out in the sunshine all day!", compare anyone doing physical labor (and I count extended driving in that) age 50+ with any office worker 50+. Sure, anyone 50+ has standard aches and pains, but I've seen many physical laborers dealing with constant pain and a lot of degenerative diseases at that age.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
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Well, my point wasn't really that the job has gotten easier, it's that some people simply prefer doing that kind of work. I remember being in a meeting once when a manager looked out at the guys on a scaffold cleaning the windows and remarked "at least we don't have to be out there like them." My first thought was that they were probably thinking "at least we don't have to be inside like them."
While I can understand the sentiment, I think most of this is fantasy. A lot of people vastly underestimate the toll manual labor takes on one's body. It may be nice to ponder "Wow, it must be so great to work out in the sunshine all day!", compare anyone doing physical labor (and I count extended driving in that) age 50+ with any office worker 50+. Sure, anyone 50+ has standard aches and pains, but I've seen many ph…
I'm a 60-year-old software developer who lives on a farm with a few dozen horses. Trust me, I know!
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
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okay, so the lack of robots/supply increases garbage collector wages, which broadly results in wealth distribution vs robots.
Why do you think that making people do what they don't want to do for more money is the most effective way to distribute wealth?
They do want to do it, they just need to be able to justify it logicially.