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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by fc417fc802 »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #201
irthomasthomas wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this incident not reason enough? Astronauts in space are needing remote support to debug it, and taking up priceless mission time.

And that problem would go away with a 30 year-old solution?

That problem would be much less likely with a minimalist battle tested OSS solution whose maintainers and users have decidedly different priorities than those governing something like outlook or even thunderbird.

The higher the stakes the more valuable minimalism becomes.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

bombcar wrote: post #231
cobertos wrote: post #230

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OceanGate was Logitech not MadCatz

I deeply regret the error; MadCatz would have failed long before. Gad those things were crap.

They'd probably still be alive if they used MadCatz, because it would have failed long before they submerged.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by dugite-code »

charlieboardman wrote: post #233
mrweasel wrote: post #56

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> Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents back and forth. To me that's probably much more interesting. We assume they have all this fancy NASA tech, probably some special communication protocols, but nope, email is fine. Still not sure why they'd use Outlook, but I guess it's easier than retraining astronauts on Alpine or Mutt. How long did the US military rely on mIRC... decades, maybe t…

If they have stock outlook they are doing normal networking and are connected to the normal internet over some deep-space antenna setup. So why not just use Debian and gmail in the browser if you want easy? The ISS uses Debian. I can't believe it's too hard to get astronauts to open Firefox

The browser would be far too slow for practical use. Local fist software, which ironically outlook is, would be the way to go.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by fc417fc802 »

thephyber wrote: post #247
jayofdoom wrote: post #131

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I used this for a while. It doesn't display HTML emails just fine. It only supports a subset of stuff which -- as a geek is awesome because it protects me -- but would be hideous to give to a normal user. Literally less than half of my emails were readable.

As someone with deep experience in MIME encoding/parts, HTML for emails, and email client support for different HTML/CSS/image content, this is a sinkhole. The world will be better off when we fork HTML so there is one standard email-safe version that all modern email clients support natively. There’s entirely too much security surface area to put arbitrary HTML into emails and expect any 2 email clients to render it…

> There’s entirely too much security surface area to put arbitrary HTML into emails ...

We manage it with browsers though.

Don't get me wrong, I've never liked html in emails to begin with. It's the same issue that markdown and every other rich text system has regarding where to draw the line. HN even strips most emojis (and I think that's a good thing).

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by relaxing »

kube-system wrote: post #154
relaxing wrote: post #148

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These astronauts are trained to use the system NASA puts them in.

And ultimately they have a lot more important things to be doing then learning a different email client than the one they use at their desk on earth. This is an email client on a laptop, not a navigation system.

No they don’t. They’re our best and brightest, and they train for years at their one, important job, which is to use the system they’re given.

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Post by bitwize »

Apollo's computer: Ran in 2 KiB memory! Miniaturized design before microprocessors became widely available! Rope memory for the ROM hand-woven by weaver ladies! Multitasking operating system kernel! Margaret Hamilton coined the term, and practice, of "software engineering" to develop the software for it! Houston had to debug it from the ground!

Artemis's computer: [theme from Curb Your Enthusiasm plays]

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

bombcar wrote: post #189
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #167

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I’m surprised they went with outlook rather than something like thunderbird. And I’m surprised they are burning power on an os that can run outlook.

A Macbook Neo can run outlook just fine and pulls what, 20 watts?

I would be fascinated to see the actual measured power consumption at baseline and when it's actually running Outlook

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Post by cozzyd »

mrweasel wrote: post #56
stackskipton wrote: post #41

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

> Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents back and forth. To me that's probably much more interesting. We assume they have all this fancy NASA tech, probably some special communication protocols, but nope, email is fine. Still not sure why they'd use Outlook, but I guess it's easier than retraining astronauts on Alpine or Mutt. How long did the US military rely on mIRC... decades, maybe t…

NASA is deep in Microsoft's stack. Meetings with NASA are the only time I have to use Teams

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by kube-system »

relaxing wrote: post #255
kube-system wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And ultimately they have a lot more important things to be doing then learning a different email client than the one they use at their desk on earth. This is an email client on a laptop, not a navigation system.

No they don’t. They’re our best and brightest, and they train for years at their one, important job, which is to use the system they’re given.

The mission of the astronauts on board is to test the damn Orion spacecraft in preparation for a human landing on the moon.

> NASA flight controller and instructor Robert Frost explained the reasoning plainly in a post on Quora (via Forbes). “A Windows laptop is used for the same reasons a majority of people that use computers use Windows. It is a system that people are already familiar with. Why make them learn a new operating system,” he reportedly wrote.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/technology/space-exploration/nasa-...

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