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This skips over what the article actually describes. Švarc Pipan's account isn't of politicians getting caught, it's of an entrapment operation. The fake investors "seemed to know nothing about data centers," kept pushing her toward suggesting a bribe, and paid a €500 tab in cash. She says she refused to lobby and told them she was legally barred from doing so at the time.
There is no direct proof that Janša is linked to them, however plausible it seems. (the parent comment has been edited to remove this claim shortly after I made my comment responding to it) SOVA has only been able to confirm that an unlabeled Israeli charter landed at Brnik and that a taxi ride with two businessmen was made from the airport to the street in Ljubljana where SDS is headquartered. This could have also b…
I removed the first half of the comment because I acquired a -2 and felt it was linked to pointing out the article claims they went right to the far right party hq after landing at the airport. I assumed that was because people felt it was unfair to them, and I realized the rest was sufficient for showing the article wasn’t exactly…reflective of the claims made in the comment I was replying to. Didn’t see your reply beforehand. Cheers
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#254and Russia is now doing the same in Hungary... :(
Russia has no resorces to do that, no matter how many times you retell the myth about "troll factories", "Russia did Brexit" and all the other lies / half truths which US, UK, Israel and other western states told and continue to tell to divert the attention from the enormous scale of their propaganda industry.
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it's a FACT that they do this.
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As a Jew and I don't think that is true at all and feel it is a bit of a dangerous characterization. Jews have just as much scruples as any other groups. What I do think is true is that Jews have more fear of others based on past treatment and even a lot of current rhetoric and may justify actions as necessary for safety. We do also happen to be a very small group of people. For instance, Palestinians have 1 billion…
I didn't mean to make a blanket statement, my apologies.
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Herzl, nor Hertzl. Do you have a citation or resource for this? (I ask not because it's inconceivable, but because Herzl died almost half a century before Israel declared its independence. Ze'ev Jabotinsky is more consistently identified with revisionist Zionism/territorial maximalism.)
> "We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owner…
Thanks. This demonstrates a world view that I don’t agree with, but it doesn’t really read to me like a justification of ethnic cleansing. The mention of removal is of poor people, and it doesn’t mention Palestine at all.
This is in marked contrast to Jabotinsky, who says these things explicitly[1]:
> Zionism is a colonizing adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important to build, it is important to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot – or else I am through with playing at colonialization.
And:
> We cannot offer any adequate compensation to the Palestinian Arabs in return for Palestine. And therefore, there is no likelihood of any voluntary agreement being reached
This isn’t to somehow excuse Herzl; he’s still an essentially colonial thinker. But from what I can tell he never thought deeply about the political mechanics of Israel/Palestine itself, in part because of European colonial assumptions around a lack of Palestinian connection to the land.
(Or in other words: Jabotinsky’s “innovation” is realizing that the Palestinians are a people with real attachments, not just realtors. It’s from there that he concludes, decades later, that displacement is the only workable strategy. He is, needless to say, also wrong.)
Edit: or another framing is that Herzl was too racist and provincializing in his limited view of Arabs/Palestinians to see where his movement would go.