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Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by smcin »

glenstein wrote: post #135
jasode wrote: post #49

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>If I loved King Crimson, I might create a site expressing that love and also host lyrics to their songs. Not to generate ad revenue. Not with any expectation of being reimbursed for hosting costs. I did it because it was fun and because sharing knowledge felt like the point. Unfortunately, music lyrics are protected by copyrights so your site of King Crimson lyrics would not be authorized unless you paid for a licen…

I think if there's any negative phrasing in your first three words, those reading from the Philosophers Chair (bathroom) are primed to take what immediately follows as Bad Vibes and downvote accordingly. They're not in this for accuracy. My hypothesis at least.

Interesting. How would you rewrite the first sentence to sound positive?

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by smcin »

scblock wrote: post #84
542354234235 wrote: post #76

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No, its because greedy people try to make money off people. Ads are the reason the internet sucks. There could be a wikipedia like site for lyrics that would cost pennies to maintain and people who like music and contributing would add to it. But scummy sites making money will pay to be at the top of search results as an ad, so they can get people to click on their site that is full of ads, all while sucking up bandw…

I mean there kind of is: https://lrclib.net/

Ok but on that site you can't search by lyrics. Only by title.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by frogcoder »

m463 wrote: post #243
everdrive wrote: post #11

"I went to the New York Times to glimpse at four headlines and was greeted with 422 network requests and 49 megabytes of data." Not really the point of the article, but almost all major news sites are significantly better if you block javascript. You sometimes lose pictures and just get text, but often the pictures are irrelevant anyhow. (a story about a world leader, and some public / stock photo is used and is not…

> are significantly better if you block javascript. lol. https://www.wsj.com always shows me one line of text: Please enable JS and disable any ad blocker

Use uBlock Origin plugin instead. It sources from various block lists to block contents. Works great on most sites, youtube among them.

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Post by kuschku »

jasode wrote: post #49
mattw2121 wrote: post #41

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Somewhere along the way, we lost the original vibe of the Internet. There was a time when it was fundamentally a community. People hosted things for the sheer joy of doing it and for the satisfaction of contributing. If I loved King Crimson, I might create a site expressing that love and also host lyrics to their songs. Not to generate ad revenue. Not with any expectation of being reimbursed for hosting costs. I did…

>If I loved King Crimson, I might create a site expressing that love and also host lyrics to their songs. Not to generate ad revenue. Not with any expectation of being reimbursed for hosting costs. I did it because it was fun and because sharing knowledge felt like the point. Unfortunately, music lyrics are protected by copyrights so your site of King Crimson lyrics would not be authorized unless you paid for a licen…

> The music publisher may not expend the effort to have a lawyer send you a "Cease & Desist" letter to make you take it down because your personal website is small fish but they wouldn't ignore a popular website that tried to show all lyrics for free with no ads.

Exactly. Now what if there wasn't one popular website with all the lyrics, but a million different small fanpages?

That's what the internet used to be.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by School-Cotton »

saltyoldman wrote: post #186
MyHonestOpinon wrote: post #183

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I have been waiting for "Netflix for news or magazines". Pay $20 a month and get access to multiple publishers.

What frustrates me to no end, is that Youtube makes about $2 per user per month from ads. Yet if i want to go ad free, they expect me to pay $14 per month. Why in the hell would they not just sell it to me at cost for $2. Heck, I'll even say I'll be a customer for the REST OF TIME if they did that. I understand why Netflix and other vendors charge $12 - $20 because it has to pay for the copyright. But Youtube does NO…

What if they dropped the average price of YouTube Premium to $2? And charged you $20 but people in Africa $1. Then it’d be more comparable to ad revenue. Would you be happier then?

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by Spooky23 »

mikestew wrote: post #192
latexr wrote: post #185

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Isn’t that Apple News+? Cheaper than $20, too. Alternatively, Libby is free (and yes, legal, though not available everywhere).

Isn’t that Apple News+? You would be correct, but...and I say this as a subscriber to Apple's "all-in-one" package...Apple News+ is in many ways garbage. Low-rent articles from publications whose time has long passed (looking at you, Popular Mechanics ), with Taboola-grade ads interspersed (as Gruber said recently, how many 30-something blonde women need hearing aids?). That said, stay away from the front page and go…

Apple News is a weird interface it it’s great. Magazines are all garbage now with few exceptions. In my case my local paper is there as well.

I would subscribe to the paper directly, but after the 19 week trial, it renews for random intervals for increasing prices.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by didgetmaster »

MyHonestOpinon wrote: post #183
btbuildem wrote: post #146

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If I may, what was your vision? What were you aiming to replace the ads with?

I have been waiting for "Netflix for news or magazines". Pay $20 a month and get access to multiple publishers.

Everyone who thinks that some kind of subscription service will replace ads, needs to take a look at history. Cable TV, satellite TV, etc., might have started ad free, but they soon adopted ads. So you ended up paying for a subscription in addition to high numbers of ads.

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Post by svachalek »

mikestew wrote: post #192
latexr wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t that Apple News+? Cheaper than $20, too. Alternatively, Libby is free (and yes, legal, though not available everywhere).

Isn’t that Apple News+? You would be correct, but...and I say this as a subscriber to Apple's "all-in-one" package...Apple News+ is in many ways garbage. Low-rent articles from publications whose time has long passed (looking at you, Popular Mechanics ), with Taboola-grade ads interspersed (as Gruber said recently, how many 30-something blonde women need hearing aids?). That said, stay away from the front page and go…

Popular Mechanics is so sad these days. Like the Discovery Channel, they just had to take something that was good and intentionally turn it into garbage for some coin.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by mancerayder »

everdrive wrote: post #11

"I went to the New York Times to glimpse at four headlines and was greeted with 422 network requests and 49 megabytes of data." Not really the point of the article, but almost all major news sites are significantly better if you block javascript. You sometimes lose pictures and just get text, but often the pictures are irrelevant anyhow. (a story about a world leader, and some public / stock photo is used and is not…

Brave + shields With nasty popups + block scripts will sometimes work without breaking the site.

Chrome forces you to see ads and all the rest of it, Firefox is tolerable but I struggled a bit with enough settings and plugins, it's not as seamless.

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