All these comments about "this is crazy to deploy agents that might do something bad in your environment" are crazy themselves. The productivity gains from these computer use agents are crazy. Every org on earth has to make the call, is 3x productivity gains worth 2x the risk increase? The answer is almost always a resounding yes. You limit the blast radius if things go wrong, but the financial gain of having 1 employee to the work of 3 already pays for the disaster if it happens.
Nvidia NemoClaw
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Re: Nvidia NemoClaw
#252I'm still extremely skeptical on Claws as a genre, and especially more skeptical of a claw that's always reporting home. What's the use case for a closed claw?
That's like asking what the use case is for closed-source software.
Rather, in what way is any generic closed claw, or NemoClaw, so much better than an open variant that it's worth using? I consider phoning home for inference about (all of the contents of my computer, email ,etc) a very large downside.
Re: Nvidia NemoClaw
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you think OpenClaw caught on much faster?
OpenClaw had a huge viral marketing campaign. It wasn't a coincidence everyone on twitter was talking about it at the same time suddenly. To its credit, it also executed well enough in a few areas that captured people's imagination. Most of the concepts are ideas people have been toying with for years, though.
Steinberg funded or directed a campaign? It looked to me like unconnected parties liked it and marketed it to offer their own solutions and services on top of it. You saw that they were paid by Steinberg/his affiliates?
Re: Nvidia NemoClaw
#254NVIDIA's answer to OpenClaw's security problems is to add more layers. LinuxToaster's answer is to use fewer:
Re: Nvidia NemoClaw
#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not a need - it’s a fun new thing - fun to see what’s possible and how it helps. OpenClaw is not easy to set up or user friendly for most (BlueBubbles and Claw had an annoying bug recently) - but the way I have seen it work well requires an up front time investment and then interest compounds RAPIDLY to help manage things and be more productive. My guess is maybe you’ve never had an assistant or tried a Claw ins…
LLMs have earned their place in many jobs, but I struggle to see claws as more than a rather expensive waste of time and tokens. Downsides are gargantuan, effects of dead internet theory will be ubiquitous.
Maybe? But I guess I won't find out until I try it a bit.
For now, I'm not posting anything - just managing some calendars and inboxes and task lists and saving me some data entry. Not sure how that makes downsides gargantuan, or contributes to the internet dying. (Though obviously the bot will get worse as the internet continues to die if that's what it's using as a source)
Re: Nvidia NemoClaw
#256Am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about sandboxes when it comes to OpenClaw? To me it's like giving your dog a stack of important documents, then being worried he might eat them, so you put the dog in a crate, together with the documents. I thought the whole problem with that idea was that in order for the agent to be useful, you have to connect it to your calendar, your e-mail provider and other servic…
Yeah so the way it works is, you make sure you're running it in docker, in a VM, on a VPS, and then you hook it up to your GMail account ;)
But there's basically two options now. Yolo (and optionally limit the blast radius), or wait a few years and hope the situation improves.
Re: Nvidia NemoClaw
#257Am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about sandboxes when it comes to OpenClaw? To me it's like giving your dog a stack of important documents, then being worried he might eat them, so you put the dog in a crate, together with the documents. I thought the whole problem with that idea was that in order for the agent to be useful, you have to connect it to your calendar, your e-mail provider and other servic…
What makes it even better is that these dogs are like Malinois. If they want to get into something, they will; people have had their entire network compromised by bots they left running overnight, and any important information like account logins and so on runs the risk of being misused. It's one thing to sandbox, maybe give the bot a temporary, limited $100 card or account to go perform a specific task, but there's…
There was a thread recently where a user got his credentials pwned by Claude, and then Claude berated him for having bad security.
He posted this to r/Claude, where Claude (as automoderator) mocked him again.
Edit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1r186gl/my_agent_...
Re: Nvidia NemoClaw
#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes it even better is that these dogs are like Malinois. If they want to get into something, they will; people have had their entire network compromised by bots they left running overnight, and any important information like account logins and so on runs the risk of being misused. It's one thing to sandbox, maybe give the bot a temporary, limited $100 card or account to go perform a specific task, but there's…
There was a thread recently where a user got his credentials pwned by Claude, and then Claude berated him for having bad security. He posted this to r/Claude, where Claude (as automoderator) mocked him again. Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1r186gl/my_agent_...
Can you link a write up or post? Thanks!
Re: Nvidia NemoClaw
#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was a thread recently where a user got his credentials pwned by Claude, and then Claude berated him for having bad security. He posted this to r/Claude, where Claude (as automoderator) mocked him again. Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1r186gl/my_agent_...
Can you link a write up or post? Thanks!
Re: Nvidia NemoClaw
#260Am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about sandboxes when it comes to OpenClaw? To me it's like giving your dog a stack of important documents, then being worried he might eat them, so you put the dog in a crate, together with the documents. I thought the whole problem with that idea was that in order for the agent to be useful, you have to connect it to your calendar, your e-mail provider and other servic…
> Am I missing something? You are indeed missing a TON. A lot of Open Claw users don't give it everything. We give it specific access to a group of things it needs to do the things we want. If I want an agent to sit there 24/7 maximizing uptime of my service, I give it access to certain data, the GitHub repo with PR privileges, and maybe even permissions to restart the service. All of this has to be very thoughtful a…
Why would I want non-deterministic behavior here though?
If I want to max uptime, I write a tool to track/monitor. Then write a small agent (non-ai) that monitors those outputs and performs your remediation actions (reset something, clear something, etc, depends on service).
Do I want Claude re-writing and breaking subscription flow because it detected an issue? No.