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Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by lm28469 » Mon, Mar 16, 2026, 7:34 PM UTC

matthest wrote: post #243

lm28469 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If AI produces surplus where does it go? Not talking about investment backed datacenter buildout and AI labs. Talking about the results of AI work... The 1% pockets, this is where the vast majority of the extra productivity computers/internet/automation brought goes to for the last 50 years: https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

The study doesn't say it went into the 1%'s pockets. It says it went to 2 places: 1) The salaries of corporate employees 2) Shareholders and capital owners Regarding number 2: "Shareholders" would include anyone who owns any stock at all, including a lot of middle class people with a simple S&P 500 ETF in their portfolio. And the increase in productivity allowed more people to become capital owners, AKA entrepreneurs…

Then why are wealth inequalities exploding? Why are we just about to witness the first trillionaire?

Because no matter what fairy tales you want to believe in your $20 "invested" in palantir won't make you a "shareholder" lmao

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by rwyinuse » Mon, Mar 16, 2026, 7:39 PM UTC

linhns wrote: post #94

bwhiting2356 wrote: post #14

Are childcare and kindergarten teachers really exposed to AI? In theory, we could put a class of 30 children in front of chatbots with one supervisor. But I doubt we would chose to do this as a society. If office work becomes more automated, early childhood education is actually one area I'd expect to take up the Slack. I can't imagine a situation where we have millions of unemployed former office workers but we leav…

I'd say yes. One teacher can use AI and be able to cover for more children. Thus less teachers are required.

That could work in ideal world where children behave nicely, and are eager to learn. But in reality that's not the case. Especially in high school big part of teacher's job is keeping order and being the authority figure. Good luck replacing that with LLM.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by matthest » Mon, Mar 16, 2026, 7:45 PM UTC

lm28469 wrote: post #251

matthest wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The study doesn't say it went into the 1%'s pockets. It says it went to 2 places: 1) The salaries of corporate employees 2) Shareholders and capital owners Regarding number 2: "Shareholders" would include anyone who owns any stock at all, including a lot of middle class people with a simple S&P 500 ETF in their portfolio. And the increase in productivity allowed more people to become capital owners, AKA entrepreneurs…

Then why are wealth inequalities exploding? Why are we just about to witness the first trillionaire? Because no matter what fairy tales you want to believe in your $20 "invested" in palantir won't make you a "shareholder" lmao

Wealth inequality is increasing, but the wealth isn't all flowing into the 1%'s pockets.

Lots of middle class people have graduated into upper-middle class: https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/the-middle-clas...

Wealth inequality is still a problem. But it's not just the people at the very top benefitting.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by Teever » Mon, Mar 16, 2026, 7:46 PM UTC

lesuorac wrote: post #164

marcosdumay wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still look the same to me.

Ignoring the sentence that admits they can be the same ("Programmers work closely with software developers, and in some businesses their duties overlap."). Programmers is like a translator; somebody else came up with what to do and you're doing the mechanical work of converting words into C++. Developer involves coming up with what to do. Hence programmers is a lower paid position.

Your interpretation seems like apophenia to me.

There's no functional difference between a 'software developer' and a 'programmer'. they're just synonyms that sometime pay differently.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by dijit » Mon, Mar 16, 2026, 7:49 PM UTC

ravenstine wrote: post #250

Wow, I had no idea the reason my peers and I can't find another position in less than 12 months is because the market for software developers is growing faster than average!

"Than average".

There's lies, damned lies, and then: there's statistics.

You have to counter the growth in jobs based on how many new people there are to take them, the location in which they are, and somewhat weirdly other jobs.

Plenty of people feel so dejected at the current state of things that they leave computer work entirely making "openings" where there isn't actually any growth.

Like all things that you try to understand: a single datapoint, when averaged, is like trying to calculate the heat from the sun by looking through a telescope at jupiter. It will give you a far-out tiny facet of data that only makes sense when coalesced with a hundred other ones.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by SoftTalker » Mon, Mar 16, 2026, 7:50 PM UTC

cogman10 wrote: post #248

SoftTalker wrote: post #216

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Ten gallons to hand wash is crazy. I have and use a dishwasher but when I hand-wash I use maybe two gallons of straight hot water. I wash everything, give it a minimal rinse with the sprayer and then hand dry to remove any remaining soap suds or water. If I hand wash, I wash as I go. It takes maybe 5 minutes to wash up dishes from breakfast or lunch, maybe a little more for a big dinner, maybe not. Dishwashers let yo…

> It takes maybe 5 minutes to wash up dishes 5 minutes of most sinks running is 10 gallons of water. (Most kitchen sinks are 2 gallons per minute). > Dishwashers let you accumulate dirty dishes for a day or two which is the real advantage in water savings. I agree. If you aren't filling the dishwasher then you are probably wasting water. However, a full dishwasher is going to be a real water/energy saver. Especially…

Who runs the water constantly? I don't. I put a stopper in the drain, get some hot water in the sink, then turn the water off. Wash everything, give it all a quick rinse, then dry.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by jazzpush2 » Mon, Mar 16, 2026, 7:50 PM UTC

empiricus wrote: post #234

jazzpush2 wrote: post #134

This is a surprisingly bad treemap, which is surprising given how easy it is to build a good one these days.

Looks average to me. Maybe I don't know how the good ones look? Can you give some examples?

Treemaps are used to show hierarchical data. But here he doesn't even bother to show more than one-level of hierarchy. If I want to find, e.g. Police, it's near impossible, since I have to scan with my eyes (when, again, it's trivial to add another rectangle to show Law Enforcement or other).

In addition, little work is done to separate the classes. He has probation officers in the same node as teachers, completely separate from law enforcement.

Here's some much better examples:

- https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/04/abortion-nu...

- https://flowingdata.com/2015/04/02/how-we-spend-our-money-a-...

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by lm28469 » Mon, Mar 16, 2026, 7:51 PM UTC

matthest wrote: post #253

lm28469 wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why are wealth inequalities exploding? Why are we just about to witness the first trillionaire? Because no matter what fairy tales you want to believe in your $20 "invested" in palantir won't make you a "shareholder" lmao

Wealth inequality is increasing, but the wealth isn't all flowing into the 1%'s pockets. Lots of middle class people have graduated into upper-middle class: https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/the-middle-clas... Wealth inequality is still a problem. But it's not just the people at the very top benefitting.

I don't think you understand what the 1% is, it's not your neighbour who has a nice house, a swimming pool and a ferrari...

https://images.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/9...

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2020...

https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/CvQar/full.png

https://static.guim.co.uk/ni/1415721490539/Wealth_line-chart...

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by SamuelAdams » Mon, Mar 16, 2026, 7:52 PM UTC

bwhiting2356 wrote: post #14

Are childcare and kindergarten teachers really exposed to AI? In theory, we could put a class of 30 children in front of chatbots with one supervisor. But I doubt we would chose to do this as a society. If office work becomes more automated, early childhood education is actually one area I'd expect to take up the Slack. I can't imagine a situation where we have millions of unemployed former office workers but we leav…

As a current parent, I assumed this was due to people having fewer kids, not AI. Additionally, with childcare centers becoming more expensive, many more families are looking to be stay at home parents or using grandparents / relatives to watch their kids during work hours.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by conductr » Mon, Mar 16, 2026, 7:55 PM UTC

dbgrman wrote: post #208

Cool stuff. would be nice to have a color blind mode. I literally can't distinguish the red from green in this visualization.

Curious as someone that doesn't experience the issue but assumes that your system Accessibility settings, maybe high-contrast, would be useful instead of expecting individual sites to tailor their color palette... does that not work?