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Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked

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Post by pastage »

Saline9515 wrote: post #242
pastage wrote: post #238

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You will not find any reputable source for those statements, sure maybe as opinions. This is the issue here we are talking about facts. I have been able to look up this information for as long as we had a government in Sweden, and it works. Financial privacy is a complicated subject, could you perhaps agree that there is a use for transparancy?

Here is a link in french: https://journalducoin.com/actualites/france-employee-fisc-ve... You can cross-reference this by asking your favorite LLM about it. Even the international news have started to catch it: https://edition.cnn.com/2026/02/10/europe/crypto-linked-kidn... The problem is that when you get a high amount migrant from very different ethnicities and cultures than you, it starts to change. Those people d…

I am wary to continue this, because you post unrelated tidbits and opinions.

My opinion is that opaque financial markets only benefits people with lots of money and power. Financial privacy is important here in Sweden, but having the net worth and income as public records has worked for us the last 250 years. I do not know where you come from and what society you live in. I do sense fear in your posts and that is usually a personal feeling. It might be different for us since it has been ingrained for so long.

I am talking from experience in our safe society (fact). Which obviously has severe flaws (opinion).

Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked

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Post by lukan »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #127
whynotmaybe wrote: post #82

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I heard a rumor that some people use this to check their neighbour's revenue and sometimes make snark comments if one of them has a high revenue but lives in a "average revenue" part of town. They'd say that if you earn a lot, you shouldn't take a cheap housing. Any truth to that?

We don't talk to our neighbours.

But about them?

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Post by oska »

1718627440 wrote: post #239
Saline9515 wrote: post #217

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Government data about private individuals can be considered as private, for privacy reasons. If the government knows that I have a mental disability, should everyone know about it, so they can discriminate me accordingly? What kind of dystopian view of the world is this? Or, if I own crypto, why should the government facilitate the work for criminals?

The Government IS the public. I agree that the public shouldn't necessarily know about your mental disabilities, but then you just shouldn't give this information to the government.

> The Government IS the public.

How can you say this (and seem to believe it)?

The Government is answerable to the public and should serve the public. But conflating the government with the public is simply bizarre, to my way of thinking.

Governments should be transparent as much as possible, yes. But that doesn't mean being necessarily transparent with sensitive information that they know about members of the public. Only with your (bizarre to me) conflation of the public with the government would this make any sense.

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Post by oska »

pastage wrote: post #238
Saline9515 wrote: post #230

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People thought that in France until a public official started to sell tax data to the mafia. Now there is a kidnapping almost everyday. Things can change faster than what you can imagine, and Sweden is not a safe country anymore by the way.

You will not find any reputable source for those statements, sure maybe as opinions. This is the issue here we are talking about facts. I have been able to look up this information for as long as we had a government in Sweden, and it works. Financial privacy is a complicated subject, could you perhaps agree that there is a use for transparancy?

> Financial privacy is a complicated subject, could you perhaps agree that there is a use for transparancy?

No, because I don't believe in income tax or capital gains tax. I do believe in government taxes but they should be made on land holdings (Georgism) and on corporate activities, not on individuals' financial status (their earnings & capital).

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Post by oska »

deaux wrote: post #150
heraldgeezer wrote: post #131

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> You criticize these websites when they affect minorities, but you use them yourself to look up men. That seems inconsistent. This is very close to the "Yet you participate in society, how curious" mean, especially since they're implying they would vote in favor of a law that changes it so that the data is no longer public in the same manner. But then your comment history reveals enough about your intent.

> But then your comment history reveals enough about your intent.

This is really poor form, and against the HN guidelines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by oska »

xorcist wrote: post #139
ivell wrote: post #106

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How do they have handle identity thefts, spams, etc.? There are so many ways to misuse these data. Are the residents not concerned about this?

"Identity theft" is newspeak right up there with "intellectual property". It serves the sole purpose of diminishing real theft. If someone says "we gave all your money to this other guy, but it's not our fault because he had stolen your identity" doesn't make it so. There are cases of mistaken identity, and with criminal intentions, but there is also an enormous majority of not checking identity because someone was l…

This is such an excellent comment (along with SoftTalker's reply) and made me think. I've long rejected the term "intellectual property", along with the delusional/fraudulent term "artificial intelligence" (as opposed to real things like LLMs and machine learning) and "money laundering" but hadn't previously stopped to think about "identity theft". Now I have.

I believe that it's really important to consider the validity of terms that are heavily adopted and pushed around and whether you should use them yourself or call them out as intellectually vapid/dishonest.

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Post by heraldgeezer »

Hikikomori wrote: post #246
heraldgeezer wrote: post #235

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A deal with Finland? What are you referring to? >Would have happened no matter was in power in Sweden. Maybe so but does not change the ideological leanings of the left being against us joining NATO. >Though now with trump back it's not looking like the best idea. NATO is more than just the USA, but the USA is a large part. I have faith that the Americans will come to their senses. NATO is a huge benefit to them in t…

Not a formal deal but it's pretty widely known that if either wanted to join we would join together as we've had a long history of cooperation during the Cold War. Trump can do whatever he and the project 2025 Christian fanatics wants to do, it's unlikely to stop in the mid terms or even the next presidential election. Now it's looking like a ground invasion of Iran. They thought they could do another Venezuela, they…

>They keep doing it to different counties so they're not safe if they just go to a neighbor, might as well go to Europe.

I hope you feel the effects of this and how you vote up close and personal then. Best of luck.

I will stop engaging here.

You want the opposite of this. That is fine and your opinion, in my view it will ruin our country.

https://x.com/moderaterna/status/2032449708774371463

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Post by boxed »

bondarchuk wrote: post #113
boxed wrote: post #108

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It's just a unique ID of a person, it's not a password. I don't see how you can be confused by this.

It's also "anyone's brokerage account holdings, addresses, phone numbers" according to the comment that this subthread of the conversation is about.

So?

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Post by pastage »

oska wrote: post #254
pastage wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will not find any reputable source for those statements, sure maybe as opinions. This is the issue here we are talking about facts. I have been able to look up this information for as long as we had a government in Sweden, and it works. Financial privacy is a complicated subject, could you perhaps agree that there is a use for transparancy?

> Financial privacy is a complicated subject, could you perhaps agree that there is a use for transparancy? No, because I don't believe in income tax or capital gains tax. I do believe in government taxes but they should be made on land holdings (Georgism) and on corporate activities, not on individuals' financial status (their earnings & capital).

The issues are orthogonal, depending on how you define things. I do not trust your system at all, how can you make it observable?

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Post by LtWorf »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #82
picafrost wrote: post #72

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I think this is good to highlight for non-Scandinavians. Scandinavian countries are extremely open and transparent in a way that might be shocking for Americans. For example, in Norway, I can check nearly anyone's brokerage account holdings, addresses, phone numbers, etc. on public websites. I can in theory look up anyone's tax filings. Personal identification numbers do not tend to be considered private in the same…

I heard a rumor that some people use this to check their neighbour's revenue and sometimes make snark comments if one of them has a high revenue but lives in a "average revenue" part of town. They'd say that if you earn a lot, you shouldn't take a cheap housing. Any truth to that?

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