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Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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post #103

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> Now your countries are little different from Russia or China or Dubai The fact that many independent national newspapers (including this article from CNBC) are openly calling-out the surveillance state and entering the debate into the public conscience should tell everyone that USA (and the West) is very different from Russia or China or Dubai. USA is not perfect, but at least is has active public discourse. We can…

> The fact that many independent national newspapers (including this article from CNBC) are openly calling-out the surveillance state and entering the debate into the public conscience should tell everyone that USA (and the West) is very different from Russia or China or Dubai. So, the only benefit of the USA is that some media can still complain. And the regime just ignores and does what they want. Regardless dems o…

What are you even talking about?

Like,I don't like what I see in the US (I am not a US citizen), but in Russia or China you get KILLED for talking against the current government.

How can you even compare that

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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> The fact that many independent national newspapers (including this article from CNBC) are openly calling-out the surveillance state and entering the debate into the public conscience should tell everyone that USA (and the West) is very different from Russia or China or Dubai. So, the only benefit of the USA is that some media can still complain. And the regime just ignores and does what they want. Regardless dems o…

What are you even talking about? Like,I don't like what I see in the US (I am not a US citizen), but in Russia or China you get KILLED for talking against the current government. How can you even compare that

> in Russia or China you get KILLED for talking against the current government.

This has started happening in the US. ICE protests.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact that many independent national newspapers (including this article from CNBC) are openly calling-out the surveillance state and entering the debate into the public conscience should tell everyone that USA (and the West) is very different from Russia or China or Dubai. So, the only benefit of the USA is that some media can still complain. And the regime just ignores and does what they want. Regardless dems o…

What are you even talking about? Like,I don't like what I see in the US (I am not a US citizen), but in Russia or China you get KILLED for talking against the current government. How can you even compare that

Sure, it's not that bad now, but it seems to be headed in that direction.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now your countries are little different from Russia or China or Dubai The fact that many independent national newspapers (including this article from CNBC) are openly calling-out the surveillance state and entering the debate into the public conscience should tell everyone that USA (and the West) is very different from Russia or China or Dubai. USA is not perfect, but at least is has active public discourse. We can…

Engagement is not discourse. This is the core strategy of the alt-right playbook. By replacing discourse with engagement, the logical structure of politics becomes meaningless, and victory becomes automatic. The playbook worked. The alt-right is in power now. We won't get the power back by playing the very game they destroyed. So yes, this started as a different situation, but in the end, power is power.

> the very game they destroyed

I am a minority who disagrees with liberals. Is it conservatives fault I get attacked by liberals for attempting to question them? No. Enough of this distortion.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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VPNs only work while there are jurisdictions that don't have age verification laws and services don't ban access from those jurisdictions.

That's technically true right now, but I keep holding out hope that these sorts of draconian restrictions will drive even harder to stamp out privacy-preserving solutions. I'm old enough to remember the days before the internet well, when _everything_ was made for children because you never knew who was and wasn't. I was afraid that legislation would drive the internet back to public television (as it seems to be det…

> Maybe this will be the push to get enough people on board to make it (or something like it) feasible?

That won't save you from being targeted. Flawed methodology from the prosecution doesn't matter if all your stuff gets seized, and they really want to hurt you. See Black Ice:

[1]https://old.reddit.com/r/Freenet/comments/4ebw9w/more_inform...

[2]https://retro64xyz.gitlab.io/assets/pdf/blackice_project.pdf

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

#256

Man... How did yall white Westerners turn out to be the weakest people in the world? You were supposed to be the bastions of freedom and justice, and the rest of the world begrudgingly admired you for that and were slowly improving to become like you, but ever since 9/11/2001 the rich old people that rule you have been feeding you boogeymen to make you their complacent b*tches and you lay down and crawl along and acc…

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Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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They're used for more than just anonymization. You know, their original purpose.

and? they will not ban vpn, they will ban free vpn providers and require KYC for the other vpn providers. Self-hosted vpns and b2b vpns will remain unaffected but that doesn't matter, they don't look for 100% coverage, 70%-80% is good enough

Fair point.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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> The fact that many independent national newspapers (including this article from CNBC) are openly calling-out the surveillance state and entering the debate into the public conscience should tell everyone that USA (and the West) is very different from Russia or China or Dubai. So, the only benefit of the USA is that some media can still complain. And the regime just ignores and does what they want. Regardless dems o…

I think pointing to a single puppet master is reductive. Demography and geography predict essentially all of these changes. Protesting and civil disobedience can obviously tip matters, but the authoritarianism taking the us has been a long time coming just based on the centralization of federal power that started almost as soon as the ink was dry. The tendencies of landlocked resource heavy states are going to be aut…

> Ditching first past the poles and mitigating gerrymandering would also obviously help.

Mitigating gerrymandering is a lost cause with first past the post because someone has to draw the lines and whoever is in the majority at the time is going to find a way to benefit themselves. It's especially hard because in a state which is e.g. 60% for one party, drawing the lines in a "normal" way can pretty easily result in a bunch of districts that are each 60% for that party (i.e. they get 100% of the seats with 60% of the votes), and getting it to not do that is the thing that could require a bunch of strange looking lines.

Whereas if you switch from first past the post to score voting, gerrymandering is basically irrelevant.

First past the post de facto disenfranchises the majority of the district including members of both parties whenever the split isn't almost exactly 50:50, because then the outcome is effectively a certainty even if significant numbers of voters change their minds. Everyone who supports the losing major party or any third party fails to benefit them, and everyone who supports the victorious major party in excess of what they needed to secure the district is also not moving the needle even a hair.

Whereas with score voting, you can have more than two viable candidates, and then hyper-partisans can't win in a district where 40% of the voters hate them because they'd lose to a member of their own party, or a now-viable third party candidate, who can appeal to voters on both sides. Changing the composition of the district changes which candidate wins even when the change doesn't put a different party in the majority, and with more than two viable parties there may not even be a "majority" party anymore.

The problem is someone got the Democrats to start promoting IRV, which is barely better than first past the post in many cases and actually worse (i.e. more partisan) in some pretty common ones. Which in turn got a lot of Republicans to start opposing all voting system reforms because they didn't like the results. Meanwhile they would both benefit from using score voting instead of FPTP or IRV. I mean seriously, does either party actually like this partisan hellscape?

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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> If you want a better proposal bring technical expertise to the discussion instead of ideology fundamentalism.

Fine. All we need is a password-protected toggle in each app that enables child mode, and another toggle in the phone settings that locks app installation/uninstallation. Remote verification schemes are completely unnecessary. For details see:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47273612

The way people are reacting is not extremist at all. Remember, the government protects child predators if they're rich or powerful enough. What more evidence do you need that they aren't doing this for the children? We should call it out for what it is.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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post #103

Man... How did yall white Westerners turn out to be the weakest people in the world? You were supposed to be the bastions of freedom and justice, and the rest of the world begrudgingly admired you for that and were slowly improving to become like you, but ever since 9/11/2001 the rich old people that rule you have been feeding you boogeymen to make you their complacent b*tches and you lay down and crawl along and acc…

> Now your countries are little different from Russia or China or Dubai The fact that many independent national newspapers (including this article from CNBC) are openly calling-out the surveillance state and entering the debate into the public conscience should tell everyone that USA (and the West) is very different from Russia or China or Dubai. USA is not perfect, but at least is has active public discourse. We can…

In Russia, China, the people are under threat of literal torture and murder.

You gave up way before that

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