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Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by cindyllm »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #249
pron wrote: post #114

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Another problem is that Twitter's demise left people who liked the format disenchanted and suspicious (and rightly so), and because of that, trying to recreate Twitter is bound to fail, at least until some more time passes.

One of Twitter's strengths was that it was a constructive community where near services & informational/radiative bots chilled. It was a connective fabric, it made information available. That's all been gone. The algorithm fav'ing paid blue check users massively made things worse from there. Bluesky attempts to be better on all fronts here. Interesting apps/services are welcome, permissionless. There is no top down p…

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Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by parl_match »

jrflowers wrote: post #219
parl_match wrote: post #123

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> instead, they chose to mock their userbase Doing the pancakes/waffles thing in the thread about pancakes/waffles is so fucking on the nose and demonstrates a complete lack of self awareness. > They could have just reiterated their rules and left it at that; instead, they chose to mock their userbase, write them off as harassment, and banned users left and right, abusing their position in network to censor people at…

> Doing the pancakes/waffles thing in the thread about pancakes/waffles is so fucking on the nose Wait what do you think “the pancakes/waffles thing” refers to? You posted 2 hours ago that you had never heard of it. I can see that how it could be confusing because there’s “the pancakes/waffles thing” where Jay wrote about about people complaining to the CEO when the moderation team doesn’t respond as being equivalent…

> Wait what do you think “the pancakes/waffles thing” refers to? You posted 2 hours ago that you had never heard of it.

Quote me where I said I've never heard of the pancake/waffles thing? Of course I've heard of it, it's been around for a decade or so.

> I can see that how it could be confusing because there’s “the pancakes/waffles thing” where Jay wrote about about people complaining to the CEO when the moderation team doesn’t respond as being equivalent to that meme, and then there’s “the pancakes/waffles thing” where Jay started posting pictures of pancakes and waffles as some sort of… joke or dunk? I never quite got the 4D comedy chess there. It doesn’t seem like anybody is “doing the pancakes/waffles thing” in either case. Nobody is asking Jay, as CEO, to ban anyone in the thread about Jay not being the CEO anymore. And I don’t think I’ve seen anyone ironically posting metahumor pictures of pancakes. The term has become so overused that definition creep now means that it could mean “anything that might bother Jay” in this context.

I want you to read this out loud, to yourself. Maybe you'll feel as insane as I did when I read it.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by JoshTriplett »

BeetleB wrote: post #193
lich_king wrote: post #40

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It is a zero-sum game in some sense, because you go where your friends or "influencers" are. Mastodon ended up losing its user base to Bluesky during the early Twitter exodus because many influencers and journalists wanted to have an "elite" status and a special relationship with the platform, so they preferred a platform owned by Dorsey to some hippie open-source thing. Bluesky, in turn, ended up losing back to Twit…

> It is a zero-sum game in some sense, because you go where your friends or "influencers" are. Bluesky and Mastodon users can interact with each other (provided both parties opt in). I'm on Mastodon, but I see my friend's messages (he's on BlueSky) and vice versa. My replies show on up on BlueSky and vice versa.

I would love to see that work, but every time I've tried to set that up, it seems to fail. The bridges seem unreliable and non-responsive when trying to set them up or diagnose issues with them.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by throw-the-towel »

ghaff wrote: post #133
pron wrote: post #114

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Another problem is that Twitter's demise left people who liked the format disenchanted and suspicious (and rightly so), and because of that, trying to recreate Twitter is bound to fail, at least until some more time passes.

For whatever faults the old Twitter had pre-Musk, it did establish a certain critical mass for a certain type of short form threaded discussion which seems to be largely dead at this point.

And it should well stay dead. Short form social media is just too good a fit for outrage farming.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by ghaff »

rakovsky89 wrote: post #182
ghaff wrote: post #70

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As someone who was once an avid twitter user, my sense is that Mastodon--after a somewhat hopeful start just never gained the network momentum. Bluesky came closest to Twitter's old reach but is still something of a shadow of the old Twitter (as Twitter/X is these days as well).

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We may have different interests and networks. Pretty much everyone I know has moved on. I don't even look at it any longer.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by Klonoar »

wolvoleo wrote: post #250
esskay wrote: post #244

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Counterpoint - its a legal requirement in several parts of the world now (and rapidly expanding), how do you think they should handle it whilst you know...still being able to exist?

It was supposed to be decentralised though, meaning there would be no central party to pursue.

What makes you think a nation state level entity can't pursue in this case...?

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by danabramov »

wolvoleo wrote: post #250
esskay wrote: post #244

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Counterpoint - its a legal requirement in several parts of the world now (and rapidly expanding), how do you think they should handle it whilst you know...still being able to exist?

It was supposed to be decentralised though, meaning there would be no central party to pursue.

Sure, which is why it's perfectly possible to work around those restrictions using any of the alternative apps that show the same data (but don't implement the legal restrictions).

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by Zak »

jrm4 wrote: post #170
Zak wrote: post #86

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The Mastodon model does not offer much ability to delete. Well-behaved servers will honor delete requests, but the protocol doesn't mandate it. Additionally, a user cannot generate delete requests if they get banned from their server or the server shuts down. Users and server admins can't control whether another server permits archiving of their content. Mastodon and other fediverse software allows following public p…

Actually, yes, it does. Or more precisely, it might. We now have a better idea of how people actually behave and it's not in accordance with "the internet is forever," and I have no interest in blaming them for 'human nature' in that way. And it's all still dangerous. Again, I know the internet is forever, but someone else posting about ME might not. This isn't an individual thing. It's "ecological." And I have no in…

This comment seems to be saying you don't want most people to do blog-like things. Most social media from Facebook to Youtube is blog-like if you squint.

It does seem like fewer people are posting personal content that way lately. Perhaps most people are better off sharing things one to one, or in small groups that are meant to stay private. That doesn't make it bad for the more public formats to exist; they're just not for everyone.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by tfghhjh »

danabramov wrote: post #116
Dracophoenix wrote: post #98

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Since you're now focusing on the AT protocol, will E2EE/OTR become a priority?

There's a recent post by Daniel (who works on atproto) on why E2EE is not a current focus: https://dholms.leaflet.pub/3meluqcwky22a

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