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Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage
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Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage
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US prices are often low enough that it's almost worth the flight just to grab one. 14' MBP M5 Pro 64GB - $2999 or 3449 €
That's not US prices, it's just price without VAT vs with VAT included. US also has sales tax it's just not included in list prices.
Well but some states don't have a sales tax.
Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage
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Let's assume a Mac Studio M5 would start at $1999, and that a M5 Max upgrade 128 GB would be about the 1000 it is now. Then an M5 Ultra 768 would be something like $1999 + 1000 + $4000 - cheaper than the current top of the line (which will never happen) so I'd presume about the same $10,000. Or they could finally make the Mac Pro respectable and have it two M5 Ultra Mac Studios stuck together (or give it NUMA RAM: on…
Apple clearly no longer cares about workstation market, Mac Pro has joined OS X Server.
Hasn’t in been that way for years? Almost all of the people I’ve seen selling used Mac Pros use them for creating music. I assume the studio is a better, cheaper option.
Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage
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Why people buy the Studio with the high ram config is actually the unified memory. This is unique to Apple. I'm not sure what Mac Pro would do with PCIe cards . It would be useless for AI because what you want is unified memory that can be used by the GPU/AI not just ram.
Its not entirely unique to Apple: the Ryzen AI Max platform (in the e.g. Framework Desktop) is a unified memory platform. The PlayStation 5 also has a unified memory architecture (which given the chiplet was made by AMD, not too surprising) (people sleep on PlayStation hardware engineering; they're far better at skating to where the puck is headed than most hardware tech companies. remember Cell?)
Thank you! I was not aware of Framework Desktop. Unfortunately it seems it’s even more limited to ram(to 128GB vs studio 512GB on Mac studio)
Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage
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I cant personally comment on them since I havent grabbed them yet but these are two Pi clones I was considering: Radxa Rock 5C and Orange Pi 5 I would do research on them because they are a similar form factor and usually cheaper for more memory… the software will be different.
i'm running qwen3.5:0.8b on my orangepi zero 2w, low token/s but it still runs. I think i paid around £14 for it over a year ago but now the same board is double price. I wouldn't buy a computer right now of any kind. It's a bubble.
Interesting, I have a few Pis laying around, I know they'd be low token use, but debated putting some models on them, whats your setup look like if you don't mind me asking? Is there a specific image or package you're using?
Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple clearly no longer cares about workstation market, Mac Pro has joined OS X Server.
Hasn’t in been that way for years? Almost all of the people I’ve seen selling used Mac Pros use them for creating music. I assume the studio is a better, cheaper option.
Workstations are more than just music, and there are still a few folks that still believe Apple will some day release a new Mac Pro that fits their hardware needs, without having to go either Windows or Linux.
https://cottonbureau.com/p/TR4KZV/shirt/mac-pro-believe#/300...
Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage
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I suspect that the cost/benefit isn't there. Those who need the "biggest Ultra" will be happy with the previous generation or so, and so they'll refresh that on a 2 or 3 year cycle.
Given that generation gains are not sufficient to make a Max twice as fast as the previous-gen Ultra, a longer cycle is rational. The M3 Ultra is still the fastest M-series system.
M5 Max outperforms M3 Ultra.
M3 Ultra, 3.3k single core 27k multicore on Geekbench. https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/16959045
M5 Max, 4.3k single core 29k multicore https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/16956481
Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage
#258More likely that the M5 Max Studio is coming out. the M5 Max Macbook Pros just came out. Also the 512 GB ssd version has a slower SSD than anything 1 TB and up. The new SSDs on the M5 I believe are much faster and what's coming likely will receive that. There's no doubt there's a ram shortage, and price increases, and the biggest companies in the world lock in their pricing well in advance, and the remaining leftover…
This is 512GB RAM, not SSD. Kind of insane that has to be differentiated now.
Total read error on my part, thanks.
I guess it gives more credence to stitch a few more of them togther in the meantime.
Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage
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My theory is that they're going to release a new Mac Pro that's about half the size of the current one. Enough space for some PCIe slots, but otherwise smaller given the enormous amount of wasted space in that thing since moving from Intel to Apple Silicon. Guessing the rack-mount model, should they continue selling it, will be 3 or 4u instead of 5u. I know everyone thinks they're going to just kill it, but I don't s…
Why people buy the Studio with the high ram config is actually the unified memory. This is unique to Apple. I'm not sure what Mac Pro would do with PCIe cards . It would be useless for AI because what you want is unified memory that can be used by the GPU/AI not just ram.
> I'm not sure what Mac Pro would do with PCIe cards .
Video and Audio Engineers [1] would like to have a word. Not to mention PCIe Network Card. And they do use all the slot in the Cheese Gater although I believe a modern version could have cut those in half.
[1] https://www.production-expert.com/production-expert-1/2020/7...
Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage
#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that generation gains are not sufficient to make a Max twice as fast as the previous-gen Ultra, a longer cycle is rational. The M3 Ultra is still the fastest M-series system.
M5 Max outperforms M3 Ultra. M3 Ultra, 3.3k single core 27k multicore on Geekbench. https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/16959045 M5 Max, 4.3k single core 29k multicore https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/16956481
Fair - one of the fastest. Still, if you need more memory, it’s the M3 Ultra.