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Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by Ajedi32 » Thu, Mar 05, 2026, 8:32 PM UTC

tonymet wrote: post #247

Ajedi32 wrote: post #237

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Sure, I won't dispute that warrantless mass surveillance of everyone at all times makes it easier to track down criminals. I just want to be clear that that's what we're talking about. These don't only target people who are "Running reds" or driving at "extreme speed".

I chose reckless driving because it's relatable . The cameras help with all crimes. Many stores are putting them up to discourage shoplifting / armed robbery, for example. Is your objection to convicting criminals or false convictions?

I wasn't necessarily making an objection, just an observation. But I suspect that warrantless government surveillance of the movements of millions of private citizens who have not been accused of a crime might be considered inherently objectionable by many regardless of what other effects it might have.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by 0xbadcafebee » Thu, Mar 05, 2026, 8:59 PM UTC

sciencejerk wrote: post #242

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #215

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When we no longer have concentration camps whose victims are located via Flock, then I'll be okay with them. It's not hypothetical, it's happening right now. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/ice-deaths-s... | https://atlpresscollective.com/2025/11/13/atlanta-police-flo... | https://immpolicytracking.org/policies/reported-ice-accessin... | https://jsis.washington.edu/humanrights/2025/10/21/leaving-t...…

They're putting people in pens and then murdering them, and using Flock cameras to round them up. I don't want this either. Might this be better attributed to politics/administration/policies? So maybe you're opposed to technologies that assist the governement with tracking people? If Flock starts solving missing abducted trafficked persons cases, would this sway your opinion? Or if the data is highly restricted?

I don't care if Flock is used to cure cancer. It's being used to oppress millions of people right now. We need to stop the harm now. It can be reintroduced later when we have a less psychotic administration.

On a more 'logical' note: compare the number of people it theoretically could help, to the number of people non-theoretically being harmed by it right now. The latter number is higher. On a purely emotionless, mathematical point of view, it is a net negative. (And this is a charitable rationalization; using a theoretical future to justify a present harm is illogical)

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by tonymet » Thu, Mar 05, 2026, 9:40 PM UTC

Ajedi32 wrote: post #251

tonymet wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I chose reckless driving because it's relatable . The cameras help with all crimes. Many stores are putting them up to discourage shoplifting / armed robbery, for example. Is your objection to convicting criminals or false convictions?

I wasn't necessarily making an objection, just an observation. But I suspect that warrantless government surveillance of the movements of millions of private citizens who have not been accused of a crime might be considered inherently objectionable by many regardless of what other effects it might have.

Consumers are overwhelmingly giving consent to surveillance via their apps. So when the government would like to it's a bad thing? why not improve policy so the government has guidelines for doing so, so they don't to conceal their agenda behind private enterprise?

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by smalltorch » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 11:16 AM UTC

fubdopsp wrote: post #209

smalltorch wrote: post #205

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There's also a application called deflock that lets you map them easy

Yes, that's the submission we're commenting on ;)

Haha. I meant an Android application. The website doesn't let you submit. The app makes it easy to submit.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by nyc_data_geek1 » Sat, Mar 14, 2026, 2:47 AM UTC

k33n wrote: post #228

nyc_data_geek1 wrote: post #176

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If a technology, backdoor or capability exists, it's not a question of if it will be abused, but rather when, how, and by whom. Stop being obtuse.

Technophobic take tbh

No, this is an entirely pragmatic take. Show me where it's not been proven correct.

It's in fact an argument in favor of strong encryption, privacy by design, and security by default.