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New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

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Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

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The part that doesn't make sense to me is: Why? As in what are the incentives to use AI to write comments on HN? This is not a platform like Youtube or X where views get you money. Is this just for internet karma?

I think it's just people experimenting with conversational bots. If you can get your bot to participate in a conversation on HN without being identified as a bot then it's better than those that do.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

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I'm still salty that I can't use em-dashes anymore for fear of my writing being flagged as AI generated. Been using them for years—it's just `alt+shift+-` on a Mac keyboard and I find them more legible in many fonts compared to the simple dash on the typical numpad. It's so sad to me that good typographical conventions have been co-opted by the zeitgeist of LLMs.

I read a text from the 60s by my grandfather this week and seeing an emdash made the LLM alarm in my head go off... Had to really stop myself before I went all "and you" on him

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

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Actually I love the — ever since my first Mac, I have enjoyed the finer characters of typography. It’s much easier to access on a Mac keyboard. Not saying the proliferation of AI has that as a signature, like the weird phrasing, but at least allow for the few mammals who likes to indulge.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

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What motivation is there to use AI to astroturf (if that's what this is) like this? Is it ideological? Is it product marketing in those relevant threads where someone is showcasing? Or is it pure technical testing, playing around?

I went through a phase where I milled responses through grinding plates of LLMs. Whether my reasons are shared with others remains unknown. My relationship with writing, while improved, has been a difficult one. Part of me has always felt that there was a gap in my writing education. The choices other writers seem to make intuitively - sentence structure, word choice, and expression of ideas - do not come naturally t…

This was super relatable. Thank you for sharing. You're definitely not alone in this.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

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I still call voodoo on this. I use an iPhone, iPad, Mac to comment here—all of them autocorrect to em dashes at one point or another. Same goes for ellipsis.

Why would recently created accounts be 10x more likely to be created by owners of Apple products or English majors than the baseline?

I doubt it explains any reasonable fraction of this, but github moving from early adopter techies to general population "normies" would be a reason for the shift. I would expect it explains at least some increase in the use of em-dashes.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

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I went through a phase where I milled responses through grinding plates of LLMs. Whether my reasons are shared with others remains unknown. My relationship with writing, while improved, has been a difficult one. Part of me has always felt that there was a gap in my writing education. The choices other writers seem to make intuitively - sentence structure, word choice, and expression of ideas - do not come naturally t…

Did you use AI for this answer? Because it looks completely adequate for me. Maybe you're not the bad writer you think you are.

No, I wrote it by hand on my phone. Thanks! Appreciate the feedback and outside perspective :)

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

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great repo name!

It's worth remembering that you can argue that the use of the word is acceptable now, but can you guarantee that in 30 years time the future world will agree with you to the extent that they let you hold a position of responsibility after using the word 30 years ago. There is precedent here.

I just saw a video on instagram which basically portrayed a rich racist southerner using all the same phrases they used to use for slaves, but for their robot.

"We treat this one better because it's a house clanker instead of a field clanker"

"If the clanker acts up it knows that it gets stuck in the box"

It was meant to be funny but definitely highlighted exactly what you are saying.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

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post #126
post #50

I'm still salty that I can't use em-dashes anymore for fear of my writing being flagged as AI generated. Been using them for years—it's just `alt+shift+-` on a Mac keyboard and I find them more legible in many fonts compared to the simple dash on the typical numpad. It's so sad to me that good typographical conventions have been co-opted by the zeitgeist of LLMs.

Just do it anyway—I always have, and always will. Well, I haven't always —just for maybe 20 years.

Hey @dang, I think I found another AI bot you need to ban.
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