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Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by mock-possum »

mullingitover wrote: post #11

I'm surprised the flock cameras aren't being disabled in a more subtle fashion. All it takes is a tiny drone with a stick attached, and at the end of that stick is a tiny sponge soaked with tempera paint. Drone goes 'boop' on the camera lens, and the entire system is disabled until an expensive technician drives out with a ladder and cleans the lens at non-trivial expense. A handful of enterprising activists could bl…

“All it takes is a tiny drone”

Alright you buy one for me and I’ll consider it

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by rolph »

mock-possum wrote: post #250
jimnotgym wrote: post #172

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In 1950s UK every country kid had a catapult in their pocket. Maybe that is what we should do. Give the kids catapults and tell them not to use them on Flock cameras. That is usually effective at making kids so stuff

You mean a slingshot? (Or a trebuchet?)

in the UK a catapult [catty] is a slingshot.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by gamblor956 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #234
monero-xmr wrote: post #59

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The vast majority of crimes are committed by a small percentage of people. The real issue is prosecutors who refuse to incarcerate repeat offenders. But having video evidence is a powerful tool for a motivated prosecutor to actually take criminals off the streets

I agree. There needs to be a non racist president that just sweeps in and does a El Salvador type cleanup of the streets. I bet the 80%+ of normal black people in crime ridden cities like Baltimore, St. Louis, Memphis, Detroit, New Orleans would be in full support. Let’s be honest, young black gangsters are the main criminal element in these places. Trump can’t do this because he is a piece of shit with no integrity.

El Salvador doesn't have the type of Constitutional rights that America has. That type of sweep would not be legal.

And that doesn't even get into jurisdictional issues. The federal government doesn't have jurisdiction over local crimes that do not cross interstate boundaries.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by dyauspitr »

bean469 wrote: post #246
dyauspitr wrote: post #234

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I agree. There needs to be a non racist president that just sweeps in and does a El Salvador type cleanup of the streets. I bet the 80%+ of normal black people in crime ridden cities like Baltimore, St. Louis, Memphis, Detroit, New Orleans would be in full support. Let’s be honest, young black gangsters are the main criminal element in these places. Trump can’t do this because he is a piece of shit with no integrity.

> There needs to be a non racist president that just sweeps in and does a El Salvador type cleanup of the streets. Sounds like a certain, controversial federal law enforcement agency in the US

Except ICE has hired poorly trained far right good for nothings.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by eudamoniac »

odie5533 wrote: post #245
eudamoniac wrote: post #228

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He meant to say high black population

Ghana has a murder rate of 1.84 and incarceration rate of 133 per 100k. It didn't get this stable by buying Flock cameras. They have nowhere near the surveillance of the U.S. And they have far fewer murders, far less violent crime, and far fewer incarcerations. If only the prosecutors had more evidence then it could be more like the U.S.!? Woodmore, Maryland is 82% black. Chance of being a victim of a violent crime i…

Respond to him, not me. It's culture related if you ask me, not race.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by scarecrowbob »

al_borland wrote: post #243
co_king_5 wrote: post #231

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Obviously slavery is wrong, that’s why I said it. You continue to dodge my question about the alternative to incarceration, when we continue to have significant numbers of repeat offenders. You know what I’m asking, yet continue to try and distract from it by nitpicking semantics. I don’t think you have an answer.

Hoss, if you cared you'd know about all the many, many efforts at things like "Restorative Justice". Hell, you'd know what the statistics are around recidivism in the US versus other countries and be able to tell us why other places in the world have such different outcomes.

There are plenty of reasons. Mass incarcertaion is a strategy, and it's unique to the US.

If you're really curious, a good entry point is the film "13th".

As a third person observing this conversation, you seem neither curious nor interested in learning why someone might think of US mass incarceration in such strong terms.

The answers are out there, if you actually cared to find them.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by al_borland »

scarecrowbob wrote: post #256
al_borland wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously slavery is wrong, that’s why I said it. You continue to dodge my question about the alternative to incarceration, when we continue to have significant numbers of repeat offenders. You know what I’m asking, yet continue to try and distract from it by nitpicking semantics. I don’t think you have an answer.

Hoss, if you cared you'd know about all the many, many efforts at things like "Restorative Justice". Hell, you'd know what the statistics are around recidivism in the US versus other countries and be able to tell us why other places in the world have such different outcomes. There are plenty of reasons. Mass incarcertaion is a strategy, and it's unique to the US. If you're really curious, a good entry point is the fi…

Looking for opinions on the open internet doesn’t tell me what the person I asked actually thinks about the topic. The strong term they used is precisely the reason I asked.

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Post by dyauspitr »

wolvoleo wrote: post #149
dyauspitr wrote: post #29

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I don’t think they make commercial paintballs with hard to remove enamel or tempura paints.

True but maybe you can fill them yourself?

Filling paintballs is very hard and specialized and would probably be limiting to 99 out of 100 people if not more.

Gluing two fragile gelatin halves (designed to dissolve and break easily) once you’ve filled them perfectly full of paint and then making sure they’re almost perfectly round takes specialized equipment.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by drumttocs8 »

odie5533 wrote: post #57

Flock cameras are assisted suicide for dying neighborhoods. They don't prevent crime, they record crime. Cleaning up vacant lots, planting trees, street lighting, trash removal, and traffic calming like adding planters and crosswalks reduce crime.

You are hitting on the fundamental difference in political views.

Half of this country believes problems are systemic and can be fixed. The other half believes they are a natural consequence of culture, race, and invisible flying creatures that tempt you to do bad things.

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