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We're no longer attracting top talent: the brain drain killing American science

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Post by hn_acc1 »

operation_moose wrote: post #113
dietr1ch wrote: post #37

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I'd love to, but where to? The Swiss are trying to cap population, the Germans elected the AfD, the UK no longer counts.

Ireland is solid, especially for any sort of biotech/medical. Strong critical skills immigration path, good wages, pretty much every major company has a facility there (many rivaling the US sites in size), friendly and welcoming place. Housing is a bit of struggle, mainly for renters. I made the leap this year. No regrets.

Tell me more. As someone with dual Canadian/US citizenship (former EU citizen that I gave up 20+ years ago) - how hard is it to get in?

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Post by gndjdjcjjd »

lateforwork wrote: post #198
mr_00ff00 wrote: post #181

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But related to this article, is China winning in terms of accumulating talent? I don’t think people all over Europe/Asia/Africa migrate to China. If they succeed, it’s purely with their own talent. The US still has that advantage even if it has less of it, unless I am mistaken.

China is trying. Around the time the US announced restrictions on the H-1B visa, China announced the K visa for attracting immigrants [1]. At this point in time, I don't think people are lining up to get K visa to go live in China. But if the current trajectory continues in the US, who knows how things will be in 5 years? [1] https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-entry-exit-k-visa...

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Post by platinumrad »

torstenvl wrote: post #231
Terr_ wrote: post #194

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> seem evil for enforcing immigration law When people living otherwise-blameless lives begin getting accosted, beaten, or killed on suspicion of the legal equivalent of unpaid parking tickets , then yes, the new enforcement occurring is indeed "evil." When they start willfully breaking all sorts of other major laws and violating court-orders to enforce the minor law, yes, that's usually evil. When rationales last-use…

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You first, buddy.

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Post by rayiner »

dboreham wrote: post #240
rayiner wrote: post #224

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How important can that be? America’s only real competitor technologically is China. And they’ve had essentially no immigration of “top talent.”

China has 3X more people, and America has a relatively terrible education system, so they have to import talented people who were educated elsewhere.

America has a very good education system against the backdrop of challenging sociological factors and mass low-skill immigration. In the PISA exam, white American kids outperform kids in Hong Kong and Korea, as well as western european kids of non-immigrant ancestry.

The American education system has major and important challenges, such as how to educate the large share of kids whose parents are economic migrants from non-English speaking countries. But those challenges aren’t relevant to the question of whether the U.S. can produce sufficient highly educated people domestically. China, meanwhile, doesn’t even participate in PISA outside four wealthy provinces.

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Post by zmgsabst »

Terr_ wrote: post #194
torstenvl wrote: post #175

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> seem evil for enforcing immigration law When people living otherwise-blameless lives begin getting accosted, beaten, or killed on suspicion of the legal equivalent of unpaid parking tickets , then yes, the new enforcement occurring is indeed "evil." When they start willfully breaking all sorts of other major laws and violating court-orders to enforce the minor law, yes, that's usually evil. When rationales last-use…

Go try the same in a non-Western country and report the comparative experience.

Histrionics over normal law enforcement that is tame and well-regulated by global standards is embarrassing — it makes Americans look uneducated and childish.

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Post by yladiz »

deepsun wrote: post #88
nathan_compton wrote: post #12

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I feel like if you care about taxes on capital gains you are rich enough not to care about taxes on capital gains.

No, I'm not rich, I'm just an entrepreneur, so most of my income is from capital gains. And most (almost all) of my expenses is paying salaries and vendors.

So you have a business with no revenue that you fund through capital gains? I'm not sure I get the connection between the two.

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Post by shimman »

orochimaaru wrote: post #104
SetTheorist wrote: post #78

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77,302,580 people voted for Trump in 2024. That is not "half the country". Nor does he or ever did have the support of "(over) half the country". His maximum approval level in 2025 was at the beginning of his term at 47% "approve" and is currently around 36%, according to the Gallup poll.

Trump won the popular vote 49.9% vs 48.5% for Harris. It doesn’t automatically translate to half the country. The popular vote does not matter in the US. The electoral college matters.

It kinda does matter because it shows more than half the US are truly sick of the current batch of US politicians and aren't enthused enough to vote for their schtick.

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Post by ainch »

direwolf20 wrote: post #203
oytis wrote: post #145

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How many PhDs have been sent to El Salvador? EU doesn't nearly have the career opportunities as the US, even less so for foreigners. Canada might be slightly better, for its proximity to the US and being an English-speaking country

None, because if you have a PhD, you're smart enough not to try it.

It's definitely >0 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

torstenvl wrote: post #231
Terr_ wrote: post #194

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> seem evil for enforcing immigration law When people living otherwise-blameless lives begin getting accosted, beaten, or killed on suspicion of the legal equivalent of unpaid parking tickets , then yes, the new enforcement occurring is indeed "evil." When they start willfully breaking all sorts of other major laws and violating court-orders to enforce the minor law, yes, that's usually evil. When rationales last-use…

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I would argue that wherever you're getting your news from is lying by omission and you have no idea what's actually happening out there.

Alternatively, you're engaging in willful ignorance.

Yes, it's reasonable to want to enforce immigration laws, but ICE has been engaging in outright criminal behavior. Arresting and imprisoning US citizens, denying due process, then ignoring court orders to release them.

Meanwhile, ICE and DHS are lying constantly on their social media pages.

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Post by shimman »

robk wrote: post #111
roughly wrote: post #60

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This is a thing that you don’t notice until you experience it. No more compelling argument that we’re doing something wrong as a nation than that first time stepping onto an American street after visiting a civilized country.

I live in a civilized European country and gravely miss the freedom of speech I had in the USA that I don't here. I'm terrified one tweet will get me jailed for 30 months.

Weird, I wish I had universal healthcare and socialized housing.
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