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Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Not sure whether it's a language/pronounciation issue but for 15 years since siri was released i have not seen a single person using it successfully without having to yell at it for not waking up or not understanding the request correctly

i guess im a unicorn haha. I routinely control my home (shades, lights, fans), set reminders for myself, set timers while cooking, and reply to (simple) text messages.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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I do this by hand and always will. The moment this is automated and overseen by an AI implementation it'll turn into a marketing game like SEO did. You'll end up staying at the hotel which spends the most money on getting itself into the training data and forcing reviews on people immediately before the stay is up. It's bad enough already. But I do not want someone making decisions for me on that and booking things,…

>You'll end up staying at the hotel which spends the most money on getting itself into the training data and forcing reviews on people immediately before the stay is up ...and how does your "by hand" process solve this problem? You are influenced by the same SEO crap regardless of AI intervention.

You are presented the SEO crap, but make your own decisions.

It's the difference between buying the top sponsored result on an online marketplace vs. reading reviews and deciding between products.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Let’s not mince words. If my device is “suggesting” a hotel or restaurant, or wherever, that’s advertising. Advertising is largely self-praise. And self praise is no recommendation. Or perhaps I misunderstood, and you were suggesting ignoring the recommendations of one’s travel companions.

If my phone ever starts not clearly separating "editorial content" and advertisements, it won't remain my phone for long.

You do realize that Google Maps prioritizes what's displayed on the map based on corporate relationships & money exchanged, right?

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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I feel like, today, most of the other LLM providers can do what "Apple Intelligence" promised - it'll link with my email/calendar/etc and it can find stuff I ask with a fuzzy search. That said, I don't really use this functionality all that often, because it didn't really (effortlessly) solve a big need for me. Apple sitting out LLMs means they didn't build this competency along the way, even when the technology is n…

> it'll link with my email/calendar/etc Wait, how does that work? I've never heard of this outside of closed ecosystems (iPhone is obviously the best at this, but I guess also google crap if you're invested into gmail/gcal/etc)

yeah this product does not exist

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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It’s different because of the ubiquity of the internet and the financial incentives of the companies involved. Right now you can get 20TB hard drives for cheap and setup your own NAS, but way more people spend money every month on Dropbox/iCloud/onedrive - people value convenience and accessibility over “owning” the product. Companies also lean into this. Just consider Photoshop. It used to be a one-time purchase, th…

Right now you can get 20TB hard drives for cheap and setup your own NAS, but way more people spend money every month on Dropbox/iCloud/onedrive - people value convenience and accessibility over “owning” the product. Yes, this is a convenience argument, not a technical one. It's not that your PC doesn't have or could have more than enough storage -- it likely does -- it's that there are other factors that make you use…

The original point that I was making was never purely a technical one. Performance, economics, convenience, and business trends all play a part in what I think will happen.

Even if LLM improvement slows, it’ll probably result in the same treadmill effect we see in other software.

Consider MS Office, Adobe Creative (Cloud), or just about any pro level software. The older versions aren’t really used, for various reasons, including performance, features, compatibility, etc. Why would LLMs, which seem to be on an even faster trajectory than conventional software, be any different? Users will want to continue upgrading, and in the case of AI, that’ll mean continuing to access the latest cloud model.

No doubt that someone can run gpt-oss-120b five years from now on device, but outside of privacy, why would they when you can get a faster, smarter answer (for free, likely) from a service?

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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That's the neat thing about suggestions: You don't have to follow them.

Let’s not mince words. If my device is “suggesting” a hotel or restaurant, or wherever, that’s advertising. Advertising is largely self-praise. And self praise is no recommendation. Or perhaps I misunderstood, and you were suggesting ignoring the recommendations of one’s travel companions.

In my area lots of smaller accommodations don't show up on Google Maps already because they're not sold via OTA and Google can't earn their share.

1. Open Google Maps

2. Search "hotel"

3. Pick the first one

4. See "sponsored" just before the first link to a third party

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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I feel like, today, most of the other LLM providers can do what "Apple Intelligence" promised - it'll link with my email/calendar/etc and it can find stuff I ask with a fuzzy search. That said, I don't really use this functionality all that often, because it didn't really (effortlessly) solve a big need for me. Apple sitting out LLMs means they didn't build this competency along the way, even when the technology is n…

> it'll link with my email/calendar/etc Wait, how does that work? I've never heard of this outside of closed ecosystems (iPhone is obviously the best at this, but I guess also google crap if you're invested into gmail/gcal/etc)

Gemini can read your personal info if you use google products, obviously.

Beyond that, Claude and ChatGPT (the other major chat providers) both support integrations that let you link your email etc. to allow the chat bot to search through them.

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Those Macs you are talking about are still very niche and mostly used by loyal customers that do basic/common things or very vocal fanboys who always find a way to shill for whatever Apple comes up with, no matter how flawed and lackluster the product is. Even if you want to run local AI, Macs are not really a good deal when you account for the price of soldered RAM and the limitations of AI tools on macOS. But as al…

I think you’re underestimating or not understanding why Macs have taken off so much for AI. It has nothing to do with fanboys shilling for Apple. You can get a MBP today with 128GB of unified memory or a Mac Studio with 512GB of unified memory. Then you get to run MacOS, which is vastly superior to Windows for AI productivity and far more accessible/convenient than Linux even today. There’s a reason so many AI apps a…

Local AI is very limited and mostly a waste of time/capital compared to subscribing to access the good stuff provided by the key players.

But by all means, throw more money at Apple for a problem they can't even solve themselves.

If AI was that good on Apple hardware, they wouldn't need to buy access from their competitors to finally make Siri not completely useless.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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I agree completely. This sort of emotional immaturity was acceptable a decade ago. But today? They are behind everything. I have 3 Macs, 2 iPads and 1 iPhone and their software is sh*t. iPad pro is a joke. It should be illegal to use the label pro as it constitutes false marketing. It's such a dumb OS for the kind of hardware you get. What's the use if it has M3 Pro or whatever if the OS can't keep up. Half the time,…

And yet 2.35 billion Apple devices are in use and growing. You may be the outlier.

I guess that if I ask you for a good burger, you will point me at a McDonald's. They have so many customers, truly a marker of quality.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Diversity of nationality isn't the only type of diversity.

It’s not real helpful to say that and also provide no examples as to what diversity could mean in this context.

Its not really helpful to leave snarky comments in bad taste neither, is it. I suggest you read up a bit on this country, its history (I mean proper history not some primitive blahs on qanon level) and educate yourself, its not that hard or long if you care about the topic.
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