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Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Great, who can I contact to get this done? > What's insane about the charging port? Well it doesn't work with most charging stations. Maybe it's different in the US.

Don't they use the same IEC 62196 ports as other EVs, outside the US? They made their own in the US, because the standard SAE J1772 combo port is an unweildy behemoth, then they released the patent into public domain, and the rest of the automotive industry adopted their port into the NACS port, which beats both IEC 62196 and SAE J1772 in available power, all in a much smaller and easier-to-use connector.

Yeah the 62196-2 connector is standard in Europe. It's not legal to sell cars with a nacs connector and hasn't been for a long time.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Same here! American-made EVs ask for an incredibly heavy price tag and don’t deliver on the reliability of ICE or Hybrid cars a third of their price. It’s the primary thing stopping me from getting one as my next vehicle. I’m trying to shop around to replace my wife’s aging crossover and I really can’t find anything more attractive than a Prius or another Kia Soul. If we could get electric cars from the CN market it’…

I’ve had software issues on an ID4 and iX, but I’ve never had reliability problems. The cars always have just worked with no maintenance. Same with my model Y, minus any issues!

I really wanted to like the iD4.

iD4 feels like they took every lesson of predictable UX design and then intentionally reversed it to make the most frustrating UI possible.

The window controls, touch buttons, screen, steering wheel controls, etc. They all seem designed to answer the question, "how could we make this unnecessarily difficult and distracting to use? How could we possibly cram in yet another State Machine for the user to keep (lose) track of?"

It also has the "try to kill the asthmatic by randomly switching off recirculate while driving through dense wood smoke" feature, naturally.

Considering how much money VW makes on EVs[0], I suppose I'm not surprised by this 'nudge' toward gas cars.

[0] https://www.motor1.com/news/758377/vw-making-less-money-sell...

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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One of the good things in the UK is seeing how quickly my neighbours swapped out their Tesla's for BYD's. I'm not in the market at the moment so don't know what the UK protectionism position is on Chinese EV's, but has been interesting to watch how quick it's happening. I work in design and we're talking to two Chinese EV companies launching in the UK this year, so the wall can't be that high for them.

The UK has a local car manufacturing industry (Nissan, Jaguar/Landrover), but not large enough to be able to lobby for protectionism. And in any case the UK has basically given up on having a coherent trade policy since Brexit. I've seen quite a few BYDs and MG4s, and there are Jaecoo and Leapmotor dealers near me. I've been told that some NHS boards were using MGs as "pool" cars, but the only example I can find a re…

The UK has a lot of "garage" brands too (the Morgans, Caterhams, BAC, etc.), but as you said they don't have a lot of lobbying power, and the lobbying they do is on behalf of lengthening THEIR transition to new EV requirements.

That said, the UK's history of small auto manufacturers would make it potentially ideal for a few domestic producers to make little EVs, similar to the Caterham 7, or the Ariel Atom for the domestic market, but they will never be the mass produced Tesla or BYD competitor.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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A BYD Shark 6 is not an EV?

Yeah, I didn’t realize we were calling hybrids “EV”s now. Also, the BYDs I’ve been in were chintzy garbage as far as fit and finish goes. Can’t speak to their reliability, or other aspects of them, though.

. chintzy garbage

This is a slur.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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If your friends dumped $20K into paying off those loans they’d be a lot closer to paid off or maybe paid off completely, though. And that’s on a newer, lower mileage car. I’m all for maintaining vehicles and keeping them on the road, but I don’t think you’re in a place to criticize your friends with $1K car payments after putting almost 2 years worth of those payments into a car that’s over a decade old.

I put in two years worth of payments for 18 years driving the car (9 since my last payment and 9 more after the maintenance) :)

> I put in two years worth of payments for 18 years driving the car (9 since my last payment and 9 more after the maintenance) :)

Plus paying for the car itself

You can’t estimate your future repair bills to be $0

I get it that you like the car, but there are some major mental gymnastics happening with your math

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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The main thing I think about self-driving is if it truly were self-driving and you could sleep in the car while it drives to a destination overnight. Even if it were only highways. That would be really cool.

You mean like a bus?

Sure except you have your car when you get there, packing is more convenient and it follows you schedule and goes directly between your desired endpoints.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Still a massive vehicle! Bulky electric cars make so little sense, because then you need bigger batteries, which... further increase the weight.

The upcoming R3/R3x is likely to be a way more practical vehicle for most people, unless you have a large family to haul around. [0]

[0] https://www.caranddriver.com/rivian/r3

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Looks like a great car. As Marques Brownlee puts it [1], this is Rivian's "Model Y fighter". And I personally find the R2 to be much more appealing than a Model Y in terms of size, shape, and interior. But we have been misled so many times about EV prices prior to launch, I think it's important to wait until we see what it actually costs for different trim levels before making comparisons to the Model Y. That $45,000…

None of these car reviewers ever take into account build quality and customer issues. Example they all lashihly praised the EX90, but owners struggled for a year with software problems, then found out the LIDAR they paid for is never going to assist their driving and they need a new computer. Same with Rivian, all of today's reviews praise the R2, but ignore the troubles current owners have not just with the car but…

> None of these car reviewers ever take into account build quality and customer issues.

Because most car reviewers' job is to explain new releases. Most issues arise after time, which reviewers generally don't get. MKBHD has gone into quality issues at times: see for example Cybertruck [1] and Fisker Ocean [2]. In their Q&A videos, the couple that does Motormouth [3] due mention reliability when asked for recommendations.

There are sources for reliability assessments, like J. D. Power and Consumer Reports.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0cs8aIXgkc&t=8m

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xWXRk3yaSw

[3] https://www.youtube.com/user/Motormouthcanada/videos

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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I bought a new salad spinner recently, after having broken yet another one. I’ve had fancy brands like Zyliss and OXO. I’ve had cheap store brand models and cheaper Amazon MYSSNGVWL type stuff as well. Knowing they would probably break didn’t make it feel better when they eventually broke. Anyway the new salad spinner is large, heavy, with a steel pin into a brass bushing, has a metal handle and nylon gears in a seal…

The car version of this stopped being produced 15 years ago. Old petrol Toyotas and Hondas met your criteria. And the back catalogue of parts is huge and supported for a long time. Modern cars aren't built as well. Maybe the modern non-turbo petrol Mazdas are the best fallback.

Modern cars aren't built as well.

Can you cite a source for this? There's no question that they're vastly more complex, but I would think that modern car manufacturing is far more exacting (and efficient) than in the past.

If you're saying that older cars are more repairable, I'm happy to agree with you, even without a source to back up that claim.

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