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Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Post by direwolf20 »

kernal wrote: post #228
lenerdenator wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ultimately, whether or not people are able to do anything involves consequences for their actions. There's the "three" boxes of liberty that are meant to give a framework for how humans in a society are to introduce consequences to state actors who abuse rights: the soap box, the ballot box, and the jury box. So we need to start using at least those three to prevent human rights abuses with regard to search warrants.

What about the consequences for the people that let in millions of illegal aliens with criminal records that harmed and killed Americans? Should those politicians be charged as accessories?

Can you list off the names and crimes of these millions of illegal aliens with criminal records so I can verify they exist?

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Post by paulddraper »

legitster wrote: post #32

So I don't think I actually have a problem with businesses handing over their customer data if there is a valid warrant or subpoena. That's the system working as intended. The main crux of the problem here is that the DHS has been granted a wide berth by congress to issue administrative subpoenas - i.e. not reviewed by a real judge and not directed at criminals. In "good" times this made investigations run smoothly.…

Or the FBI’s FISA system which was abused to gather intel. [1]

Government agencies are prone to abuse.

[1] https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/fisa-investigation

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Post by ycombinatrix »

legitster wrote: post #32

So I don't think I actually have a problem with businesses handing over their customer data if there is a valid warrant or subpoena. That's the system working as intended. The main crux of the problem here is that the DHS has been granted a wide berth by congress to issue administrative subpoenas - i.e. not reviewed by a real judge and not directed at criminals. In "good" times this made investigations run smoothly.…

>In "good" times this made investigations run smoothly.

Yeah no. This was always bad and is often abused by law enforcement (& people pretending to be law enforcement)

https://gizmodo.com/fake-cops-stole-user-data-from-meta-and-...

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Post by rc5150 »

kernal wrote: post #228
lenerdenator wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ultimately, whether or not people are able to do anything involves consequences for their actions. There's the "three" boxes of liberty that are meant to give a framework for how humans in a society are to introduce consequences to state actors who abuse rights: the soap box, the ballot box, and the jury box. So we need to start using at least those three to prevent human rights abuses with regard to search warrants.

What about the consequences for the people that let in millions of illegal aliens with criminal records that harmed and killed Americans? Should those politicians be charged as accessories?

are the millions of illegal aliens with criminal records in the room with us now? Can you show us on the doll where the millions of illegal aliens with criminal records touched you?

Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Post by direwolf20 »

atoav wrote: post #129
legitster wrote: post #32

So I don't think I actually have a problem with businesses handing over their customer data if there is a valid warrant or subpoena. That's the system working as intended. The main crux of the problem here is that the DHS has been granted a wide berth by congress to issue administrative subpoenas - i.e. not reviewed by a real judge and not directed at criminals. In "good" times this made investigations run smoothly.…

So what about the Amsterdam government handing over the records to the new Nazi government in the past century? Under the back then new laws this was legal and lead to the genocide of countless people who happened to have the wrong belief listed in that data. Please never make the mistake to confuse something being legal for something being fair or ethical.

I wouldn't give any power at all to Hitler. I wouldn't name him head of state. I wouldn't even let him vote in a town hall meeting about fixing a water main leak. By the principles you have stated, then, I shouldn't let anyone be head of state, and I shouldn't let anyone vote to fix water main leaks?

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Post by JoshTriplett »

efreak wrote: post #235
JoshTriplett wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fastmail's calendar works reasonably well. My two complaints with it: - There isn't a convenient calendar widget; Google's calendar widget only works with Google's calendar. I'd like something exactly like Google's calendar widget but working with Fastmail's calendar. - Sites that integrate with Google Calendar but not with arbitrary CalDAV servers. I could live without the latter, but the former is a dealbreaker; I'…

Widget for what? Mobile OS? Websites?

Android.

Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Post by moate »

shevy-java wrote: post #110
legitster wrote: post #32

So I don't think I actually have a problem with businesses handing over their customer data if there is a valid warrant or subpoena. That's the system working as intended. The main crux of the problem here is that the DHS has been granted a wide berth by congress to issue administrative subpoenas - i.e. not reviewed by a real judge and not directed at criminals. In "good" times this made investigations run smoothly.…

I don't see how what has been described here as "the system works as intended". A free state should not be able to sniff after people for made up reasons.

No, this is absolutely the system working as intended: The State exists to protect large monied interests and their power, and those entities in exchange will sell out individuals to the State that seek to undermine their power. The State will never not do this.

Like, I realize I'm the rambling anarchist up in here, but show me ANY government ever that didn't Murder and Pillage, two things that we all hate when perpetrated by individuals. There's no amount of democracy that can be injected into a hierarchy responsible for controlling hundreds of millions of people that will inhibit authoritarianism, the best people can hope for (and what many white/middle class citizens thought they had for the last few decades) is not being the target of that authoritarianism.

Cat's out of the bag now and we're doing that thing we do every few decades where we weaponize the State against the citizens.

Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Post by fc417fc802 »

JohnMakin wrote: post #236
fc417fc802 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For linking activity back to your person? Without name, payment details, photos of face, or IRL social graph the easiest path that comes to mind is IP address. But that's going to involve additional inquiries and is likely ambiguous (unless you live alone, but determining that is again more work).

“allow google to search for devices on your network?” I’m not trying to be condescending here, but I’m just asking what someone thinks is happening here and what they can do with information scanned on your network.

I don't follow how that's relevant? In terms of the information yielded by an administrative subpoena of an account will that even appear? I'm not clear how the result of the scan is being used.

Suppose the data is retained in association with your pseudonymous account. So now in addition to my IP they have, what, the internal IPs and device names from my LAN? How does that lead directly to me without significant additional effort? I think their best option is still hitting up my ISP to get the billing info and service address of the account.

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Post by direwolf20 »

themaninthedark wrote: post #115
mindslight wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm getting tired of these comments that normalize being in the middle of the slippery slope as if it is merely the same as being at the top of the slippery slope was. They may not have been "good" times, but they were certainly better times when government agencies at least aimed to carry out their roles in good faith rather than minmaxing the rules to cause the most damage to enemies of the Party. Applying judgemen…

No. Full stop. Laws are supposed to be crafted to be as applied by anyone, anywhere and at any time. This is why lawyers and politicians are supposed to have foresight and be prudent. You look at prior events and see them as justified due to the people involved and situations. If the US government can, for example investigate Richard Spencer or some other extremist figure based on a web post, then they can do the sam…

> If the US government can, for example investigate Richard Spencer or some other extremist figure based on a web post, then they can do the same for someone else on the other end of the spectrum.

> But even more terrifying is that they can do the same for someone not in the extremes.

This isn't a valid principle. It suggests that we should oppose laws against murder, because if the government can imprison a murderer, it can imprison someone who saved a life. Even more terrifying is that it can imprison someone who saved a dog's life or didn't save or kill any lives.

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