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Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by SamPatt »

goobert wrote: post #202
sowbug wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is what's hard about transitioning from coder to lead. A good coder makes full use of a single thread of execution. A good lead effectively handles the coordination of multiple threads. Different skills. An LLM coding assistant today is an erratic junior team member, but its destructive potential is nowhere near some of the junior human engineers I've worked with. So it's worth building the skills and processes…

I use conductor with git worktrees and will literally have 10 or 20 running at a time getting pinged as they finish stuff for me to review, mostly getting rid of small ticket and doing random POCs while I focus on bigger stuff, the bottleneck has literally become the company doesn't have enough stuff to give me. It only really works however because I have a lot of context and understanding of the codebase. It's alrea…

I found coordinating skill usage across worktrees quite annoying, how are you managing this?

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by andoando »

exe34 wrote: post #200
SoftTalker wrote: post #190

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Yes this happens in every framework I've ever used. My approach used to be to try to work around it, but now I've got these local exceptions to what the framework does and that is inevitably where problems/bugs pop up. Now I simply say "we can't implement the feature that way in this framework, we need to rework the specification." I no longer try to work against the framework, it's just a massive time sink and creat…

I'm so glad software engineering isn't my job. I love solving problems, and I'm somewhat better at using code to do it than my peers (fellow scientists), but I would hate to have a boss/client that says "it needs to do X" and the framework writer (or SDK, ala Android/Xcode) say "no, that hurts my profits/privacy busting".

Software companies all understand that so its not really a problem. Maybe in companies where the software isn't the main product

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by seba_dos1 »

mark242 wrote: post #215
rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

I would argue that it's going to be the opposite. At re:Invent, one of the popular sessions was in creating a trio of SRE agents, one of which did nothing but read logs and report errors, one of which did analysis of the errors and triaged and proposed fixes, and one to do the work and submit PRs to your repo. Then, as part of the session, you would artificially introduce a bug into the system, then run into the bug…

> Unless you are only ever a single engineer, your career is filled with "I need to debug code I didn't write".

That's the vast majority of my job and I've yet to find a way to have LLMs not be almost but not entirely useless at helping me with it.

(also, it's filled with that even when you are a single engineer)

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by YarickR2 »

This line shows either he does not get how wrong he is, or I do not understand the deepness of his enlightenment. "A simple Makefile covers 100% of my needs for 99% of my use cases". We've come a long way to replace simple Makefile with autotools (incredible monstrocity), cmake, ninja etc. I hope he does not propose to ditch *libc.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by nottorp »

kenjackson wrote: post #189
giancarlostoro wrote: post #175

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I find that instructing AI to use frameworks yields better results and sets you up for a better outcome. I use Claude Code with both Django and React which its surprisingly good with. I rather use software thats tried and tested. The only time I let it write its own is when I want ultra minimal CSS.

This. For area where you can use tested and tried libraries (or tools in general) LLMs will generate better code when they use them. In fact, LLMs will be better than humans in learning new frameworks. It could end up being the opposite that frameworks and libraries become more important with LLMs.

> In fact, LLMs will be better than humans in learning new frameworks.

LLMs don't learn? The neural networks are trained just once before release and it's a -ing expensive process.

Have you tried using one on your existing code base, which is basically a framework for whatever business problem you're solving? Did it figure it out automagically?

They know react.js and nest.js and next.js and whatever.js because they had humans correct them and billions of lines of public code to train on.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by esafak »

milowata wrote: post #63
matheus-rr wrote: post #55

The pendulum swing described here is real but I think the underlying issue is subtler than "AI vs. no AI." The actual problem most teams have isn't writing code — it's understanding what the code they already depend on is doing. You can vibe-code a whole app in a weekend, but when one of your 200 transitive dependencies ships a breaking change in a patch release, no amount of AI is going to help you debug why your au…

> no amount of AI is going to help you debug why your auth flow suddenly broke. What? Coding agents are very capable at helping fix bugs in specific domains. Your examples are like, the exact place where AI can add value. You do an update, things randomly break: tell Claude to figure it out and it can go look up the breaking changes in the new versions, read your code and tell you what happened and fix it for you.

I'm confused too. When it breaks, you should have tests and a changelog handy. I solve these problems with agents routinely.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by cookiengineer »

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

Come to the redteam / purpleteam side. We're having fun times right now. The definition of "every software has bugs" is now on a next level, because people don't even care about sql injection anymore. It's right built into every vibecoded codebase.

Authentication and authorization is as simple as POST /api/create/admin with zero checks. Pretty much every API ever slop coded looks like this. And if it doesn't, it will forget about security checks two prompts later and reverse the previously working checks.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by ratatatatata »

simonw wrote: post #118
abcde666777 wrote: post #25

It's strange to me when articles like this describe the 'pain of writing code'. I've always found that the easy part. Anyway, this stuff makes me think of what it would be like if you had Tolkein around today using AI to assist him in his writing. 'Claude, generate me a paragraph describing Frodo and Sam having an argument over the trustworthiness of Gollum. Frodo should be defending Gollum and Sam should be on his s…

Have you really never found writing code painful? CI is failing. It passed yesterday. Is there a flaky API being called somewhere? Did a recent commit introduce a breaking change? Maybe one of my third-party dependencies shipped a breaking change? I was going to work on new code, but now I have to spend between 5 minutes and an hour+ - impossible to predict - solving this new frustration that just cropped up. I love…

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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by devin »

exe34 wrote: post #180
ipsento606 wrote: post #115

> Software engineers are scared of designing things themselves. When I use a framework, it's because I believe that the designers of that framework are i) probably better at software engineering than I am, and ii) have encountered all sorts of problems and scaling issues (both in terms of usage and actual codebase size) that I haven't encountered yet, and have designed the framework to ameliorate those problems. Thos…

my problem with frameworks has always been that the moment I want to do something the framework writers aren't interested in, I now have three problems: my problem, how to implement it in the underlying platform and how to work around the framework to not break my feature.

In Clojure land, the mantra has long been "libraries over frameworks" for this reason.
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