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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by direwolf20 »

account42 wrote: post #250
direwolf20 wrote: post #240

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If you are German, then you are probably blind to the similarities between current German politics and the Nazis, so this is not a good point of comparison.

But it's only Nazis if you disagree with them. After all, the whole point of drawing the comparison is to shut down any possibility for discussion and nuance - "people I don't like are just like the nazis so I don't need to treat those who who doesn't fully oppose them with any respect".

The ones who are exterminating a race are the nazis

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by somenameforme »

donkeybeer wrote: post #203
somenameforme wrote: post #146

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What is "extremist" about "sabotage"? These are private companies and private individuals, they can choose whether to or not to interact with ICE. Unless its a part of some formal investigation there is nothing criminal or extreme about providing whatever data or response or lack thereof to them. Or do you not believe in freedom of association and free speech?

ICE is a law enforcement agency and so intentionally seeking to obstruct an investigation is indeed a crime. Impairing the access to data opens the door to fraud and other charges. And the manual linked goes above and beyond these relatively 'soft' crimes and into things like arson. Betting your life, and career, on these sort of things testament to how radicalized some have become.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by cindyllm »

dns_snek wrote: post #237
lukan wrote: post #207

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"The only way for consumers to avoid this " Or they could stop drinking coke? But I guess that is too much to ask.

You can avoid coke but approximately every brand in the supermarket is funding ad-tech. And even if you can find brands that don't, your supermarket is likely funding ad-tech to advertise itself so you can't go to there at all. Maybe you still have a farmer's market but chances are that they're advertising online. You can't buy a car or any smartphones you've ever heard of, you won't find an ISP that doesn't advertis…

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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by dns_snek »

reactordev wrote: post #204
dns_snek wrote: post #117

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No because employees are making the actual thing that inflicts harm while consumers' actions are completely diffused and many steps removed from the harm they cause. That's why ad-tech is so effective in the first place. Consumer pays $1.10 for a can of coke, $0.10 of that goes to ad-tech, the consumer watches some coke ads, ad-tech pays $0.05 to the publisher and the consumer receives $0.05 in benefits in the form o…

Replace “tech” in this scenario with “ammunition”. Does your argument still hold up? >”employees are making the actual thing that inflicts harm while consumers' actions are completely diffused and many steps removed from the harm they cause.” “employees are making the actual thing that inflicts harm while consumers' actions directly cause deadly harm.” I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t be voting with our wallets and…

I didn't say "tech", I said "ad-tech" and "big tech" (meaning ad-tech like Google, not TSMC) which aren't morally neutral like ammunition is. Invasion of privacy and exploitation of private information is an inherent part of their business model.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by donkeybeer »

somenameforme wrote: post #252
donkeybeer wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is "extremist" about "sabotage"? These are private companies and private individuals, they can choose whether to or not to interact with ICE. Unless its a part of some formal investigation there is nothing criminal or extreme about providing whatever data or response or lack thereof to them. Or do you not believe in freedom of association and free speech?

ICE is a law enforcement agency and so intentionally seeking to obstruct an investigation is indeed a crime. Impairing the access to data opens the door to fraud and other charges. And the manual linked goes above and beyond these relatively 'soft' crimes and into things like arson. Betting your life, and career, on these sort of things testament to how radicalized some have become.

How is this obstruction? Unless it's part of a proper investigation, they are just another private individual. You are free to do or not engage in business contracts with them, and any data given true or false or data not gievn can hardly be a criminal matter as its not an investigation and simply a business dealing between two parties.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by donkeybeer »

somenameforme wrote: post #252
donkeybeer wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is "extremist" about "sabotage"? These are private companies and private individuals, they can choose whether to or not to interact with ICE. Unless its a part of some formal investigation there is nothing criminal or extreme about providing whatever data or response or lack thereof to them. Or do you not believe in freedom of association and free speech?

ICE is a law enforcement agency and so intentionally seeking to obstruct an investigation is indeed a crime. Impairing the access to data opens the door to fraud and other charges. And the manual linked goes above and beyond these relatively 'soft' crimes and into things like arson. Betting your life, and career, on these sort of things testament to how radicalized some have become.

That's the point, it's not an investigation in the first place so how can you "obstruct" an investigation. It's just a business deal. Unless you believe special rules apply for business deals with them that make perfectly normal things crimes.

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Post by throw03837 »

throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #234
maldev wrote: post #225

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Are you implying that refugees are terrorists? Also, according to any refugee agreement, you go to the first country of safe harbor. Not across the world. Why can’t they go back now, make Iraq great? Also, they arnt killing Americans anymore are they? We gave them everything we could. But the afghan army chose to just do drugs and do nothing and now their women can’t go to school and don’t have rights again.

No, im not implying that all refugees are terrorists. Just pointing out the obvious outcome of terror: people flee to savety. There are still terror orgs seeking to destabilize the region, like israel or ISIS. Besides the destruction, thats at least one reason why you wouldnt want to go back. But why can they stay? Maybe a familiy -- a life -- is a reason to stay too. Why is "why dont they go back" your initial react…

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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by j-pb »

direwolf20 wrote: post #240
j-pb wrote: post #73

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German here, with little stakes in your shitshow. At no point during the obama years did I think: "Wow this looks just like the rise of the nazis!" Which was covered extensively during my history classes. Why did you even have all the school schootings if you don't use that stupid second ammendmend thing you have? This is the tyranical government you've all been waiting for.

If you are German, then you are probably blind to the similarities between current German politics and the Nazis, so this is not a good point of comparison.

Which politics are you referring to? The AfD ("Alternative for Germany") who has been classified as a confirmed right-wing extremist organization by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution? And which has heavy ties to trump, musk, and the current U.S. government?

Just because we currently have our own right wing populist faschists rearing their heads again, doesn't mean that the parallels of the current events in the US and the rise of the Nazis aren't real and glaring to someone who has had this as part of their basic education curriculum.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250503162240/https://www.verfa...

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Post by subscribed »

dmantis wrote: post #82
whatever1 wrote: post #34

It’s quite obvious that all of these seemingly paranoid about privacy, were not that paranoid after all. For the software builders the conclusion is that we should not store ANY identifiable data.

Exactly. While trying to degoogling, removing most proprietary software and use sandboxing for everything that's still needed as proprietary, you would often hear that stupid pro-surveillance thesis: "oh, what's wrong in someone trying to show you relevant things in the internet to buy by your interests?". Maybe now some people would think about it. That giving someone's leverage over youself is a ticking bomb until…

"what's wrong? Oh, it literally paints a target on your face that can be shot at if you happen to be brown".

Maybe the answers must be blunt and unpleasant.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by throw03837 »

Ms-J wrote: post #231

ICE will need to hit up Israel for that data. Israeli companies are constantly working on spyware and advertising technologies. Take a look at abominations such as the product Sherlock produced by Insanet: https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/16/insanet_spyware/ https://cyberjustice.blog/2024/01/22/sherlock-the-terrifying... There are loads of others.

It sounds like you’re just looking for another opportunity to bash a group of people that you hate.

Spyware is produced in many countries - although the Israeli ones are very good, because Israelis are very good at what they do.

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