does Zoom still dump an unkillable web server into the bowels of your OS?
France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
Heh, now that our team has standardized on Teams rather than Zulip (so that we suffer/connect with the rest of the org whom are stuck in MS land) - and I've been given the chance to use Teams for a while - it really is worse than I initially thought. Which means it's time to look for alternative clients. I ws hoping for something like WeeSlack: https://github.com/wee-slack/wee-slack But all I found was: https://githu…
You'd understand why there's no even half-decent clients for Teams if you ever tried to write a bot in Teams. That's just a pure lesson in pain. Webhooks work, but proper bots are borderline impossible; at least without giving you the feeling that you'd rather pull your own teeth out with pliers.
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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#253Worth pointing out: France is not adopting existing open source software, they're building their own software and releasing it under the MIT licence. Most of it (or all of it?) is Django backend + React frontend (using a custom-built UI kit). Home page for the entire suite (in French) with some screenshots: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ Code bases are on GitHub and they use English there: https://github.com/suit…
I mean if they're half as good as Handbrake and VLC I'm up for trying
Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#254Are those US software firms still obligated to comply with EU restrictions and legal demands if they are banned/barred/fascisticly_denied_the_option_to_compete by one or more EU territories?
Just like Europeans, you need to understand international law. It's not law like law within a country. It's a warning. US software firms were never obligated to comply with anything. If you don't comply, you create an enemy. You comply based on your judgement of that enemies' ability, determination and level of creativity that they will use to punish you for noncompliance.
Do you want to do any business at all there? Do you have any vendors there? Do your owners own anything else that does business there? Do you have any investors that live there? Do your kids go to college there? Do you have to fly over or through it, ever?
It's leverage against leverage.
Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
What’s so bad about Teams that makes it so hated? I used it lately and often to work with a customer and I don’t find anything terrible about it, other than some minor usability annoyances like phantom chat notifications once in a while. But overall it does what it’s supposed to do, get on a video call, share your screen and share files over channels. The transcript feature seems to work well too. I’m not amazed by i…
"I don't have an issue with it" tells me you've never used anything else. Have you tried Slack? Zulip? Mattermost? Fucking... IRC from 1988? Teams isn't just mediocre, it's aggressively hostile to basic usability. The camera bar sits at the top of the window, directly blocking where you're supposed to position your camera for eye contact. Chat organisation is broken: you get duplicate groups because the order people…
> Typing has input delay.
Everything in Windows has input delay, ever since at Windows XP, it makes it infuriating to use.
Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
>and no significant large technology companies I have to do my patriotic duty to remind you that SAP is the 6th/7th largest software company in the world by market cap. I know not as exiting as notepad with AI but they do exist. That said US software giants are a disease for democratic societies. If Europe wants software sovereignty we don't need "significant large software companies" we need a hundred medium sized o…
> If Europe wants software sovereignty we don't need "significant large software companies" we need a hundred medium sized ones that reflect the diversity of the dozens of nations on the continent...Europe needs in fact to be more ambitious than to build its own Microsoft. We need a genuinely open ecosystem which is not going to have as its goal to extract value out of its users. Sure, but can you be honest and admit…
> Sure, but can you be honest and admit that you don't have any of this yet? Just to take a simple thing like messaging, Europeans mainly use WhatsApp
Because it's very hard to compete against monopolies when there are network effects. What you can do is regulate them. The US government has been working very hard in the last decades to prevent that.
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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#257Refreshing. No more Teams? Sounds like a dream... Of all the crapware I am forced to work with, Teams really pushes the envelope in every single negative way conceivable. I think I have more love for SharePoint than Teams, and that is a massive concession.
Heh, now that our team has standardized on Teams rather than Zulip (so that we suffer/connect with the rest of the org whom are stuck in MS land) - and I've been given the chance to use Teams for a while - it really is worse than I initially thought. Which means it's time to look for alternative clients. I ws hoping for something like WeeSlack: https://github.com/wee-slack/wee-slack But all I found was: https://githu…
I'm in the same boat and I am this close to just torching the mainsail
Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#258Worth pointing out: France is not adopting existing open source software, they're building their own software and releasing it under the MIT licence. Most of it (or all of it?) is Django backend + React frontend (using a custom-built UI kit). Home page for the entire suite (in French) with some screenshots: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ Code bases are on GitHub and they use English there: https://github.com/suit…
> Code bases are on GitHub Not a very solid way to move away from American big tech :/
This is probably just the first big step (communications) in a series of big steps.
Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#259Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#260Note that this is only about European governments choosing to not use US software.
Yeah, and once the precedent is settled, you can bet that the private sector will follow, and give birth to a bunch of local service companies to deploy and support those solutions in an healthier and fairer manner than the current GSuite/MSOffice duopoly.
Is this true though? There are tons of policies and procedures the US government has required for decades that never got adopted by the private sector.