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New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by 1shooner »

slg wrote: post #212

I think it's interesting to note that not only is there precedent for this type of "blocking technology that prevents the printing of certain things"[1], but it's also inconsequential and uncontroversial enough that most of the people here obviously have never even heard of it. We lost the ability to print $50 bills with our HPs[2] and it had no noticeable negative impact on society. I'm not sure why losing the abili…

But this tech isn't required by law, is it? You can legally make your own printer without a $50 bill detector.

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Post by Tostino »

slg wrote: post #241
Tostino wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, I'd say that something has in fact been lost in that every single printer sold watermarks every document printed regardless of if you are attempting to print a $50 bill or not. There are plenty of people who change their behavior because that tracking is in place, regardless of if what they are doing (or would be doing) is in any way illegal. Terrible example IMO.

>regardless of if you are attempting to print a $50 bill or not. Maybe the way this applies to everything should be an indication that it's unrelated to the point I made about blocking the printing of certain things.

The ways that i've seen proposed for the 3d printer to determine if the thing you are printed is "gun related" was to force them to be internet connected, and to send your print files to some 3rd party (or government) server before you are allowed to print.

How is that less invasive?

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

talkinghead wrote: post #93

perhaps people printing their own guns at home is actually quite bad and in fact should be controlled in some way without it being seen as a fundamental incursion on your rights. just a thought from across the pond.

Do you support gun ownership absent of this idea? Or is your actual concern with guns?

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Post by gmueckl »

delichon wrote: post #78

> The obvious problem: you cannot reliably detect firearms from geometry alone. The obvious problem with this argument is that in just the medium term, world-model style AI will get good at this task, but having big brother pre-approve every print will still be bad.

How? The printer only ever retrieves G code for individual parts without any knowledge of what they are going to be assembled into. There is no viable way to solve this classification problem on this kind of incomplete data, is there?

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Post by bluGill »

Retric wrote: post #169
kube-system wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Firearms was used rather than weapons Where? The constitution says neither. It says "Arms" Regardless, the constitution specifically makes reference to the private ownership of cannons and warships. > To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque

Arms at the time meant man portable weapons as distinct from cannons or trebuchet etc. Just posted about firearms so many times used the wrong word here.

Cannons were regularly privately owned at the time

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Post by nemomarx »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #223
robflynn wrote: post #213

My main concern is, how long is it before you can't print a replacement part for something you bought because it looks too similar to an OEM part and the manufacturer doesn't think you should be able to do that so they throw a little money to the right politician.

I remember ~10 or 15 years ago, I had concerns about drones becoming illegal due to FAA. I was assured by the internet, I was paranoid, blah blah safety... Then a few weeks ago something about Minnesota and ICE making drones illegal to fly or something... The weird part is that, in that 15 years, I've become more moderate and pro-democratic rule of law... but I was right about my previous concerns. Not that I believe…

I guess it was a predictable outreach from the Patriot act - the new justification is flying drones "over a mission" from the border people, and they claim a lot of territory for their missions, right?

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Post by nebula8804 »

qwlefkjlk wrote: post #137

And not for the first time: 2025: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/A2228 2023 (before Mangione): https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2023/A8132 Maybe there are others.

Really garbage administration they have in NY. Hochul and a lot of her ilk have done things like block right to repair after years of activists trying to get it passed.

The way it worked was as follows:

1. Local groups push to get right to repair passed

2. Fails repeatedly for years

3. They finally get it past the houses and onto the governor's desk

4. Governor gets a visit from a 'unknown' (hint likely Apple) lobbyist, refuses to sign even though they have to

5. They wait until the very last second and then adds last minute 'amendments' neutering the bill.

6. Their sycophants then try to shut down any discussion on Reddit/other social platforms from anyone who criticizes the bill.

[1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Fair_Repair_Act

They are going to keep doing this crap, the government needs to be voted out but just like NJ, NY is captured by really corrupt 'neoliberal' Democrats so its an uphill battle to get someone better in there. The incentives are not there: In NJ and most of NY the economic base is the wealthy suburbanites who like the way things are and will fight efforts to make radical change. That results in a lot of 'think of the children' type people who would welcome any and all bans on things like 3D printing of guns.

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Post by aaronmdjones »

crazygringo wrote: post #173
viccis wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's clearly meant to be part of the Ctrl-Alt-Del key sequence that interrupts Windows computers to bring up the task manager.

But doesn't Ctrl+Alt+Del bring up the screen to switch users or sign out? "Task Manager" is one item in the list of options you get, but it's not the main one or anything, in fact it's the last: https://www.lifewire.com/thmb/hzx6btMYEqZJfSAL3WVxXuW3-jw=/1...

The author may just be showing their age a bit. That's what Ctrl+Alt+Del does on modern versions of Windows, but from Windows 95 to Windows XP (inclusive) it directly launched the Task Manager.

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Post by le-mark »

gmueckl wrote: post #254
delichon wrote: post #78

> The obvious problem: you cannot reliably detect firearms from geometry alone. The obvious problem with this argument is that in just the medium term, world-model style AI will get good at this task, but having big brother pre-approve every print will still be bad.

How? The printer only ever retrieves G code for individual parts without any knowledge of what they are going to be assembled into. There is no viable way to solve this classification problem on this kind of incomplete data, is there?

It’s not nearly that hard of a problem. There are n gun files on internet, so validate the hash of those n files (g code whatever). These people aren’t cadding their own designs.
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