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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by charcircuit »

Aurornis wrote: post #233
stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

> Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. This would be done in parallel for key sources. There is a lot of information on physical devices that is helpful, though. Even discovering additional apps and services used on the devices can lead to more discovery via those cloud services, if relevant. Physical devices have a lot of additional information, though: Files people…

Sure it might be on the device, but they would need a password to decrypt the laptop's storage to get any of the data. There's also the possibility of the MDM software making it impossible to decrypt if given a remote signal. Even if you image the drive, you can't image the secure enclave so if it is wiped it's impossible to retrieve.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by sophacles »

flohofwoe wrote: post #150
miltonlost wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how he'll try to get out of being summoned. Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates?

> Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates? Given his recent "far right" bromance that's probably not a good idea ;)

Wouldn't celebrating hitler's birthday be good for his far-right bromance?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by niemandhier »

hn_go_brrrrr wrote: post #225
niemandhier wrote: post #221

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If that training involves destroying evidence or withholding evidence from the prosecution, you are going to jail if you follow it.

What a strange assumption. The training is "summon the lawyers immediately", "ensure they're accompanied at all times while on company premises", etc.

That can start with self deleting messages if you are under court order, and has happens before:

“Google intended to subvert the discovery process, and that Chat evidence was ‘lost with the intent to prevent its use in litigation’ and ‘with the intent to deprive another party of the information’s use in the litigation.’”

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.37...

VW is another case where similar things happens:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-12/vw-offici...

The thing is: Companies don’t got to jail, employees do.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by plagiarist »

grunder_advice wrote: post #135
robbru wrote: post #124

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Grok makes it especially easy to do so.

What makes Grok special compared to random "AI gf generator 9001" which is hosted specifically with the intent of generating NSFW content?

If AI GF Generator 9001 is producing unwilling deepfake pornography of real people, especially if of children, feel free to raid their offices as well.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by kps »

niemandhier wrote: post #227
stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

Gather evidence against employees, use that evidence to put them under pressure to testify against their employer or grant access to evidence. Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. That was legal. Guess what, similar things would be legal in France. We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Western liberal democracies just rarely use it.…

> We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power.

Elon has ICBMs, but France has warheads.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by [deleted] »

verdverm wrote: post #204
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #198

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Well yes, if France24 was using "20 April 2026" as we write here, there would be no misunderstanding. I believe people are looking too much into 20 April → 4/20 → 420

Thanks for the cultural perspective / reminder, yes that is definitely an American automatic translation

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by chrisjj »

ffsm8 wrote: post #203
chrisjj wrote: post #100

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You are mistaken. Item #1 is "images of children of a pornographic nature". Wheras "CSAM isn’t pornography—it’s evidence of criminal exploitation of kids." https://rainn.org/get-informed/get-the-facts-about-sexual-vi...

You're wrong - at least from the perspective of the commons. First paragraph on Wikipedia > Child pornography (CP), also known as child sexual abuse material (CSAM) and by more informal terms such as kiddie porn,[1][2][3] is erotic material that involves or depicts persons under the designated age of majority. The precise characteristics of what constitutes child pornography vary by criminal jurisdiction.[4][5] Hones…

> First paragraph on Wikipedia

"...the encyclopedia anyone can edit." Yes, there are people who wish to redefine CSAM to include child porn - including even that between consenting children committing no crime and no abuse.

Compare and contrast Interpol. https://www.interpol.int/en/Crimes/Crimes-against-children/A...

> The whole argument seems to be centered around the fact that sexualizing children is disgusting, hence it shouldn't be called porn.

I have no idea how anyone could reasonably draw that conclusion from this thread.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

flohofwoe wrote: post #150
miltonlost wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how he'll try to get out of being summoned. Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates?

> Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates? Given his recent "far right" bromance that's probably not a good idea ;)

you would perhaps be shocked to learn how right-leaning the money folks behind the legal and legacy cannabis markets actually are. money is money.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by raincole »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #148
tw04 wrote: post #130

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>Every AI system is capable of generating CSAM and deep fakes if requested by a savvy user. The only thing this proves is that you can't upset the French government or they'll go on a fishing expedition through your office praying to find evidence of a crime. If every AI system can do this, and every AI system in incapable of preventing it, then I guess every AI system should be banned until they can figure it out. E…

Every artist is capable of drawing CSAM. Every 3D modeler can render CSAM. Ban all computers !!

Well every human can be an artist with some training. I guess the solution is to ban humans.
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