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Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by KptMarchewa »

monting wrote: post #187
tehjoker wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet somehow they've managed to eliminate extreme poverty and challenge the U.S. in GDP. Sounds like cope to me. They couldn't do that with extreme corruption like we tolerate in U.S. allies.

They "eliminated" extreme poverty caused by communist control in the first place, by going to a capitalist system. There were tons of economic low-hanging fruits by building out large infrastructure projects, which corruption happily siphoned off of. The ROI of these infra projects have been gone for a while, yet they continued. Also it's been stealing intellectual property, trade dumping, exporting deflation. Soakin…

>They "eliminated" extreme poverty caused by communist control in the first place, by going to a capitalist system.

Not a fan of CCP but pretending like there was no extreme poverty in China before CCP is insane position.

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Post by hgomersall »

monting wrote: post #243
hgomersall wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and whilst getting themselves out of poverty they built 50,000km of high speed rail.

By racking up debt of epic proportions, with no return on investment in sight. All the while going into a demographic death spiral. Partly cause by the draconian 1-child policy, which attempted to fix the pronatalist policies of Mao.

"debt"? You mean the balancing item from money creation? Question: To which bank does the government owe the liabilities created when it creates the money? (clue: the government owns it).

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Post by infp_arborist »

flakeoil wrote: post #246
graemep wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That could be a problem in itself. It certainly is here in the UK. If you have two parties that have much the same policies you do not get necessary change and voting becomes meaningless.

The thing is that wether the ruling party is right or left there are limits to what they can do based on the real world we live in. For example there is a limit to how much they can lower or increase the tax. There is a limit to how much they can save on one thing and invest in another. Often when a new party takes power, no big real changes are seen as it is not so easy to implement considering the real world. They…

Disagree. There are effective strategies for creating more sustainable economies and societies. Affordable housing, education, universal healthcare will make us all happier and healthier.

We know how to fix lots of problems, and money is orthogonal to the issue.

Sentences like "They have to go down..." are really a symptom of a static "there is no alternative" view.

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Post by roenxi »

fsckboy wrote: post #22
pjdesno wrote: post #9

In the 70s the oil companies were furious that Venezuela (if my understanding is correct) revoked their leases and forced them to abandon their equipment investments. That's basically what the administration was trying to do here, under a legal system which (unlike Venezuela in the 70s) is very keen on protecting corporate investment. It seems like a classic "takings" case.

the Venezuelan oil leases you are talking about was 1990s, not 1970s. for Venezuelan oil leases to be comparable to wind farms you'd have to have the Venezuelan govt say "we are taking the leases away because we don't want any more offshore oil production", rather than "we are taking these leases away because you are rich and we want to pump the oil ourselves" the cancelled Venezuelan oil leases were a taking, but th…

> for Venezuelan oil leases to be comparable to wind farms you'd have to have the Venezuelan govt say "we are taking the leases away because we don't want any more offshore oil production"

That isn't a crazy interpretation of what actually happened. According to wiki [0] the industry basically collapsed to 50% of its former production after the nationalisation era and the overall trend since then has been downwards. If a major political contingent in the US sets themselves against wind energy it could easily play out similarly. That'd be in line with other battles in the War on Energy that played out with nuclear and fossil fuels.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Venezuelan_oil_...

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Post by aucisson_masque »

Drupon wrote: post #199
pjdesno wrote: post #9

In the 70s the oil companies were furious that Venezuela (if my understanding is correct) revoked their leases and forced them to abandon their equipment investments. That's basically what the administration was trying to do here, under a legal system which (unlike Venezuela in the 70s) is very keen on protecting corporate investment. It seems like a classic "takings" case.

Were the Venezuelans wrong? Should a country just legally accept its conquerors economically?

That's pretty much the law of the strongest. Mess with American colonialism and you end up like Cuba or Venezuela.

It's better to have your natural resources stolen than having your whole country wrecked by embargo, secret NSA plots, etc..

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Post by watwut »

rootusrootus wrote: post #103
prawn wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US president just today said that Republicans should "nationalize the voting" in future elections.

It certainly gets us to keep talking about him. Which seems to be his primary skill. It does not have any basis in reality, however.

Reality check is that he has actual track record on delivering or trying to deliver on his anti-democratic impulses. In terms of personal monetary gain, he is the most successful president of history.

He is also actually successful at making Project 2025 reality. He is on the way to cause very real harm (economic, physical) to blue cities too.

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

WatchDog wrote: post #122

> ...the Department of the Interior settled on a single justification for blocking turbine installation: a classified national security risk. To speculate on what this risk is, the two obvious risk I can think of would be: - Susceptibility to seabed warfare[0]. A rival nation can sabotage the infrastructure and maintain deniability, like we have seen with the Nord Stream sabotage[1]. - Potential interference with pas…

> A rival nation can sabotage the infrastructure and maintain deniability, like we have seen with the Nord Stream sabotage.

We didn't see that with Nord stream. It was not a rival nation, but an allied one unfortunately. And Germany did nothing. Zero.

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Post by pjc50 »

graemep wrote: post #237
vvpan wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is largely why presidencies do not mess with the order they inherit too much (subjective statement I know). Most institutions and projects are not stressed and the government branches just keep doing what they always did. The current administration is an outlier, but we all know that.

That could be a problem in itself. It certainly is here in the UK. If you have two parties that have much the same policies you do not get necessary change and voting becomes meaningless.

For that, you need to look to the press.

Political parties are mostly relatively small and under-funded huddles of second-rate individuals, who get told what to do by billionaire-owned media.

It's interesting how many and varied "minor parties" which are more genuinely grassroots have persisted in the UK despite the difficulty in scrounging up funding from the actual public, and despite FPTP being theoretically stacked against them. It's very different to the US, which despite all the talk of Federalism doesn't seem to have local parties at all?

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