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Post by sib »

tastyfreeze wrote: post #213
Frost1x wrote: post #68

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We really have a societal problem in that we allow private entities to do things we don’t allow government to do. Furthermore, the issue is exacerbated by then allowing governments to bypass these issues by then just paying private entities to do the things it can’t do as a proxy for the same functional outcomes. But we want to support privatization at all cost, even when privatization these days has significant infl…

This is why I advocate for making selling location/identifying data illegal. If nobody is allowed to sell it then the government cannot legally buy it.

Just because the government can't buy it, doesn't mean they can't ask for it reeeeallllllly persuasively.

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Post by sib »

gruez wrote: post #195
KellyCriterion wrote: post #158

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Eh, no? How does your provider know all your bank accounts? If at all, then the one you are using for billing - but the 2FA apps do not expose such data to the provider? The Apps communicate via HTTPS calls in the background?

I think they're implying they can glean all that information based on the 2fa codes you receive. eg. "your security code for First Bank Of HN is: xxxxxx"

Which don't contain the bank account number (at least in any 2FA I've ever received from a bank.)

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by jfyi »

dfc wrote: post #225
M95D wrote: post #221

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Did you read the complete comment? > Next is a text to your phone number, which is intercepted by firmware and sends gps coords back.

Yes I saw that and also took it to mean the person didn't read the article. A text to your phone number? The article never mentions SMS. Heck I think the 2g/3g "feature" does not even require the phone to even have a SIM installed. This next sentence also seems to have been written without reading the article: "This can be turned off, since implementation."

The poster is giving information relevant only to the European Union ("112"). They are talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Mobile_Location I believe.

I don't think it indicates their article reading either way and wouldn't personally wager a guess. They are just adding their own personal experience to the conversation.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by globalnode »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #248
SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #246

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Made for, and used for, are two different things. The article gives an example of Israel slurping down that data constantly to track everyone, and you can bet they aren't the only ones doing that.

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dont have to be a leftie to hate genocide but glad your loving it... youll have plenty to love about the world going forward ;)

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Post by radlad »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #248
SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Made for, and used for, are two different things. The article gives an example of Israel slurping down that data constantly to track everyone, and you can bet they aren't the only ones doing that.

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This is a non-sequitor.

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Post by rkomorn »

KellyCriterion wrote: post #158
retired wrote: post #79

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My provider knows who I call, who I text, which websites I browse, my bank account number, my home address, my rough location, which countries I visited for holiday and through DTMF they can even sense which buttons I press on my handset.

Eh, no? How does your provider know all your bank accounts? If at all, then the one you are using for billing - but the 2FA apps do not expose such data to the provider? The Apps communicate via HTTPS calls in the background?

Maybe they meant their provider has it for payment info. That would not be unusual in Europe.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by sib »

krater23 wrote: post #136
roywiggins wrote: post #24

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In an emergency you might really want GPS precision.

Which emergency can happen that I really want this? And now don't say suicide attempt. Nearby all emergencies that could happen where someone needs my exact position are things that would additionally lead to a loss of the base connection or a switched off smart phone.

Car accident? Broken leg while hiking? Mugging? Slip and fall on icy sidewalk?

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by ozim »

jmward01 wrote: post #196
fsflover wrote: post #159

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This is exactly what GDPR does.

Does it apply to the government like it applies to people? Is it enforced against governments like it is enforced against people and corporations? A core issue here is that laws, and the application and enforcement of laws, generally do not. Having said that I applaud the attempt and encourage pushing forward on the anti-surveillance aspects of GDPR while recognizing all laws are flawed.

Yeah it applies to government like local municipalities have to adhere to GDPR, they cannot just have your name on the register, they have to have a legal reason.

Way you could argue it doesn’t apply to government is that the government makes the law so they can make the law that makes data processing and having your name on some kind of registry required.

But still they have to show you the reason and you can escalate to EU bodies to fine your own country if they don’t follow the rules.

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Post by gaudystead »

konsumer wrote: post #157
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #40

This community should be talking about meshcore more imho. It's a peer to peer network based on Lora. It really only allows text messaging but with up to 20km hops between peers coverage is surprisingly huge. Incredibly useful if you go hiking with friends (if you get split up you can still stay in touch). See https://eastmesh.au/ and scroll down to the map for the Victoria and now more widely Australia network that'…

Reticulum gets around a lot of these problems, as the (better) encryption is app-level (or even more fine-grained.) Its also not tied to lora, so you can interop easily with other transports. I made a websocket transport for it, and there is already TCP and UDP, and a couple non-lora radio transports. I also made a (works on web) js and Arduino client lib, and it has a few native client libs, so it can sort of be use…

I only recently discovered Reticulum, only to then learn that the developer has retired from working on it. Do you know if there's still any community members carrying the torch?
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