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TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by conductr »

fwip wrote: post #169
reliabilityguy wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the rest of the world have easy access to. Except for China, where TikTok is nothing like the TikTok for the rest of the world

Do you think anti-ICE videos are being blocked in China?

Out of curiosity. What do those videos mean to an average Chinese person?

What are the opinions of illegal immigration over there? How do they police it? (If at all).

Does this look like normal government activity? Or are they appalled at the lack of “freedoms” in America?

I am truly naive on their culture or politics around this and how they would use it to show the US as boogeymen government and how their government is better. Is it a grass isn’t always greener type thing for them or is it a way to actually think we’re evil and should be stopped.

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Post by dataviz1000 »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #4

The forced US hosted tik-tok sale is all about hiding information from the US public that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to.

It isn't so much as the rest of the world having easy access. It is what the Chinese want the rest of the world to see. If you are in a South American country using a residential IP in new incognito session, doom scroll, after the initial disturbing content, you will start to notice videos of the United States government physically attacking people born in the country of the residential IP address.

The TikTok algorithm in South America. Content about Tiananmen Square and Tibet gets filtered out. Content about the United States government rolling through protesters in armored vehicles, killing people in Venezuela with bombs, and threatening Greenland, straight to top of feed.

The most brutally honest propaganda is always the most effective propaganda.

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Post by mistercheph »

pydry wrote: post #205
lenerdenator wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Case-in-point of why we shouldn't have approached China like we did over the last few decades. It normalized totalitarianism in some segments of Western society.

If a large outside power is intent on screwing with your populace I think the only way to really stop it is with diplomacy or a crackdown on free speech. Authoritarianism has been starting to become normalized because China and Russia are increasingly able to mess with our society in the same way our leaders always messed with theirs.

True, true, so true. Actually when a large outside power is screwing with your populace you gotta crackdown on the whole constitution. Yep, that's the only solution i think, sign of the times, I guess!

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Post by voidUpdate »

mothballed wrote: post #203
lingrush4 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freedom of speech has literally never prevented a private company from controlling the content on its platform.

It did before the internet. See Marsh v. Alabama where publicly accessible ( private sidewalk) on private property was ruled the people there still could exercise 1A rights and could not be trespassed for doing so even if the owners forbid it.

How does freedom of speech allow you to walk somewhere you have been forbidden from walking? Does that mean you can just go into any building you want and use your 1A rights to not be arrested?

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Post by infecto »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #230
infecto wrote: post #162

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I think we are talking past each other a bit. I am not objecting to people expressing disagreement or labeling as an abstract exercise of free speech. I am pointing to a pattern that has become common online where disagreement quickly turns into coordinated pile-ons, identity assignment, and social signaling rather than substantive engagement with the argument itself. Free speech protects the right to do that, but it…

> I am pointing to a pattern that has become common online where disagreement quickly turns into coordinated pile-ons, identity assignment, and social signaling rather than substantive engagement with the argument itself. It's easy to fall prey to the fallacy that disagreement with you means the disagreers are failing to engage substantively to the topic, and are simply "social signaling". It's easy to dismiss many p…

I agree those are real failure modes, and I am not denying they happen. People absolutely misread disagreement as bad faith, or assume coordination where there is none, especially when emotions are involved.

Where I differ is that I do not think this is only an individual perception problem. There are structural incentives online that reward signaling, amplification, and rapid norm enforcement over slower, substantive engagement. That does not require explicit coordination to function like a pile on, and it does not require bad intent from participants.

Social pressure and norm enforcement are inevitable in any society, as you note. My concern is about degree and speed. When the dominant response to a nonconforming view is immediate identity assignment or moral framing rather than argument, the space for persuasion narrows quickly. At that point, engagement becomes less about exchanging ideas and more about sorting people.

Opting out is always an option, but that feels like conceding that meaningful public discourse online is no longer worth defending. I am not convinced that is a good outcome either.

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Post by techterrier »

buildbot wrote: post #226
pjc50 wrote: post #198

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You must have heard about it from somewhere ? Some reliable third party intermediary that is neither US nor China?

I haven’t heard anything about this but the claim appears to be mostly true - https://spectator.com/article/has-xi-jinping-fought-off-anot... The spectator is allegedly a reliable media source, I am not personally familiar.

It is not. It's a contrarian newspaper, gives some interesting folks a platform, but mostly cranks.

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Post by sejje »

fwip wrote: post #191
antonymoose wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anyone be opposed to the IRS catching tax cheats? This seems like such a bone-headed take. In any case it’s also historically illiterate, the IRS has long been used as a political weapon, infamously against “Tea Party” activists.

I feel like you can both want illegal aliens to get deported, but not approve of how ICE is executing protesters in the street, entering homes without warrants, and kidnapping people in unmarked vans. Similarly, you can think it would be good to catch tax fraud, but think that it should be handled without executing folks.

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Post by michaelt »

lingrush4 wrote: post #179
hathym wrote: post #80

freedom of speech my a*

Freedom of speech has literally never prevented a private company from controlling the content on its platform.

Platform allows criticism of a government.

That government forces the platform to be sold to a billionaire ally.

Platform’s new owner immediately bans criticism of said government.

“Not a first amendment issue, it’s a private company”

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