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Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Support for ICE is in minority (although a large one). I don't think algorithm would suppress negative opinions on it, especially among viewership of celebrities that don't appeal to the right side of political spectrum.

Well, you're wrong. This article has more info but is login- or paywalled. https://www.theverge.com/news/867625/tiktok-down-weekend-bro...

I didn't say it's the effect of the censorship. I just said it's unlikely to be the effect of normal operation of their algorithm. If the actual explanation was the accidental outage then I was right.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Not sure why this is flagged? One of the largest social media platforms in the industry changed ownership, its user base is noticing an unexplained change in functionality? Surely that warrants a discussion among tech people?

these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

Most original "hacker" (1980s, 1990s) and open source people are quietly right wing anyway.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Anecdata is strong, I have multiple cases myself just from browsing this morning. But I'm leaning towards incompetence. Some US generated stuff was most likely moved to Oracle shitboxes, causing encoding issues and unreliable streaming. ...or it's malice and they're scanning the data and intentionally throttling traffic for unwanted content.

Would the incompetence include deleting messages that used the word "Epstein"? https://i.redd.it/2stz13v1bsfg1.jpeg There are quite a few reports on Reddit of users having any dm using that word being deleted. https://old.reddit.com/r/TikTok/comments/1qnxxgi/were_being_...

Well, shit. It really was malice, they're just trying to claim incompetence: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46779809

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

#255

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these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

Most original "hacker" (1980s, 1990s) and open source people are quietly right wing anyway.

Maybe, but the fundamental ideas of sharing knowledge/software and preventing corporate control of technology is far more left wing than right wing.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

Most original "hacker" (1980s, 1990s) and open source people are quietly right wing anyway.

Left vs right distinction is not accurate nor does help us to reflect the reality of our current world any more.

Fascism and authoritarianism can come in both left, right, color, sizes, sex and age.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

> voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defend their position Why are you're assuming flagging indicates support of the government? Maybe they're flagging because it's a topic that will generate much more heat than light. It doesn't have to be deeper than that.

There's a clear pattern of stories that paint oligarchs in a bad light being flagged. Even simple tech-based articles about Tesla get flagged if they highlight a negative about the company or cars.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

Most original "hacker" (1980s, 1990s) and open source people are quietly right wing anyway.

"Cool? It's commie bullshit." -Hackers.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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You should qualify your statement with "amongst the few people I talk to and the narrow spectrum of media I consume." Also, do you mean minority of the total US population or minority of the voting population? For one reference point I fully support ICE. And I think it's wild you have local and state politicians encouraging actions against federal agents who are enforcing federal law.

Enforcing federal law by shooting a fleeing woman in the head and a restrained nurse in the back? Boy, what fair and just law.

You watch those videos at all? Fleeing woman tries to run over federal agent.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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post #74

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You should qualify your statement with "amongst the few people I talk to and the narrow spectrum of media I consume." Also, do you mean minority of the total US population or minority of the voting population? For one reference point I fully support ICE. And I think it's wild you have local and state politicians encouraging actions against federal agents who are enforcing federal law.

More Americans support than oppose abolishing ICE. The Gestapo, too, was federal agents enforcing federal law. https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/53939-more-americ...

In this case can you honestly say federal law is wrong?
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