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Do you believe you're giving graffiti artists even a thimbleful of good faith by comparing them to dogs?
Is your concern that a thimbleful of good faith for vandals is too much or too little?
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You said "value" of labor, not salary. Salary indicates at best, market rate, but often not even that. Value is something else entirely, and that something seems to be completely disconnected from capitalist measures of market price. See: investment banker salaries vs teachers. See also: the price of a monkey JPEG. Even capitalist value is disconnected from market price, see the current stock market. > Nobody has eve…
> Value is something else entirely Value is what you're willing to pay for something, and what you're willing to accept as payment. > Even capitalist value is disconnected from market price, see the current stock market. The value of a stock is the market price. There is no other value. The value of a teacher is what you're willing to pay for him, and what he is willing to accept. The value of government paid teacher…
Also, the word "value" is used outside of monetary contexts. If you said "I value you" to a loved one, I doubt even an avout capitalist libertarian such as yourself would be so heartless as to put a dollar price on that "value." So no, value is not just "what you're willing to pay." That's a Chicago school of economics lie that has been allowed to determine the mechanics of neoliberal society.
In any case this isn't really a conversation if you just keep saying the same thing over and over again, "value is cost," using basically undifferentiated examples.
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Our environment controls us, and we are also allowed to control our environment. Graffiti is like protesting. The government likes to contain it and deny it and suppress it. Your city probably has a free speech zone where protesting is allowed, which is far out of the way so those protests won't have an audience, but that is not where protests occur when they occur.
>Your city probably has a free speech zone where protesting is allowed, which is far out of the way so those protests won't have an audience, but that is not where protests occur when they occur. What a weird thing to say. I don't know whether you live in some totalitarian regime or assume that you do, but I don't. However, I can see it as means of protesting, an we can find examples of it in history and current day,…
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So I have problems with the government but I blame graffitiers?
Because if graffitiers didn't degrade your property, you wouldn't have to clean after them?
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Sometimes tagging is that, sure, or just some person indicating that they exist there. For some taggers, it's an addiction. I knew one that would tag at people's houses when invited to parties. I was outside smoking a cigarette with him after the owner had threw him out on his ass, asking why he did shit like that, and he said "I just feel like if I can tag someone's house, it's like I've won." I can kinda empathize…
> the majority of graffiti is artists just putting up art. Art? Where I live the overwhelming majority of graffiti is just a few letters forming meaningless words... Like even if it was art, no one could appreciate it because no one could understand it.
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You said "value" of labor, not salary. Salary indicates at best, market rate, but often not even that. Value is something else entirely, and that something seems to be completely disconnected from capitalist measures of market price. See: investment banker salaries vs teachers. See also: the price of a monkey JPEG. Even capitalist value is disconnected from market price, see the current stock market. > Nobody has eve…
> Value is something else entirely Value is what you're willing to pay for something, and what you're willing to accept as payment. > Even capitalist value is disconnected from market price, see the current stock market. The value of a stock is the market price. There is no other value. The value of a teacher is what you're willing to pay for him, and what he is willing to accept. The value of government paid teacher…