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Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

breppp wrote: post #52
FilosofumRex wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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A republic with a supreme religious leader who actually decides everything, that fakes elections and has a council of religious leaders that can disqualify any candidate that's without even talking about killing 30,000-40,000 citizens for wanting their rights > It subsidize basic needs of its poorer citizens, such as fuel, bread, housing, education and healthcare. I'd start with supplying basic needs like water and e…

Do not forget funding widespread proxxy wars and terrorism in the region, although that game has many players: Qatar, UAE, Turkey, Egypt..

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

dpe82 wrote: post #21
jobgh wrote: post #12

No shot. The economy is already in the gutter. The productivity hit of a total internet cutoff would be a death sentence

That assumes the regime cares more about the economic prosperity of their people than about staying in power. So far they seem to care more about power. North Korea provides a model for how terrible the situation can get for every day people in that sort of arrangement.

The regime does not even care about the capital having water in the next month. They are basically doing pre-emptive starvation culling at this point.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by lukan »

direwolf20 wrote: post #236
lukan wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't see a problem if private companies get the right to decide who to block from the internet, without any process?

That's freedom of market. You need to sue your ISP for contract breach, they said they'd provide internet access and didn't.

That market is not really free, but government regulated and mandated and the government says they are fine to do this (as far as I know, I do not live in spain).

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Post by mabedan »

mahdi7d1 wrote: post #200
gambutin wrote: post #138

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Glad to see you here. I’m almost afraid to ask but how are you and everyone else?

I use this same username everywhere and it's tied to my identity so let me keep it brief. I live in a small town and you wouldn't get much protesting or any political activity in those. On the other hand, I'm currently serving in the police force (Which all able bodied men of age have to do and serve in one of the three armed forces of my country) and the bigger question since the start of the protests has been "What…

Brother, maybe make a new username...

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by direwolf20 »

hahahahhaah wrote: post #14

Can ROTW sanction Iran by giving it zero internet access even to "elites" by refusing to peer.

That will make it so much easier for the regime to suppress all communication! They'll have more resources to focus on other goals, like killing all dissenters.

Is the idea to unblock their internet if they let everyone use the internet and not just the elite? It won't work. Their elites will find workarounds and they'll leave the internet completely blocked apart from that.

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Post by nicoburns »

walletdrainer wrote: post #10
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #4

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I mean... EU already blocks eg. some russian sites (some countries more effectively than others)... plus all the chat control pressures every year. Spain is blocking whole blocks of internet during football matches. UK is making you "show your ID card" to jerk off. But every such country likes pointing fingers at others, "hey, our censorship is not bad, they have more of it!". edit: considering the downvotes, HN is n…

> UK is making you "show your ID card" to jerk off. There are no ID cards in the UK, so you actually have to get a special jerking off loicense.

There are passports and driving licenses which are the de facto forms of ID in the UK (there are technically other valid forms of ID for at least some purposes, but almost nobody uses them). ~85% of UK residents have a passport.

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Post by thrownaway0511 »

Symbiote wrote: post #77
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #13

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Do you think they have a better shot than any other country with an explicit firewall (Eritrea, China, NK, Cuba etc…)

I don't think Cuba belongs on that list. They have limited service because they can't afford anything better, and the USA prevents installing additional undersea cables, but only a small number of sites are blocked by Cuba itself, such as a few Spanish language news sites run by Cuban-Americans. Many more sites are unavailable in Cuba because their USA owners refuse access to Cuba, but that's not Cuba's fault.

They could've easily invested more of that oil money they leeched from Venezuela into infrastructure. They built 1 optic fiber cable over a decade a ago, why didn't they build more all this time? It's always the imperialists fault, isn't it?

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALBA-1

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by fatherwavelet »

dominicrose wrote: post #181
littlecranky67 wrote: post #59

There must be so much video footage from smartphones during the demonstations that show gruesome killings and masacres, the iranian elites have to make sure this footage never sees the rest of the world. They have to ban the internet forever.

I don't want to believe that a government so incompetent, corrupt and cruel can continue to function. I don't trust that the rest of the world will help militarily although it's a strong possibility, but I do trust that they will continue to isolate the country. It's possible that the regime will implode simply because there is no honor among thieves.

Unfortunately, they are extremely competent at holding on to power. Inflation has been oscillating between 20% and 50% since 2019 yet here we are. It is hard to over throw the people who have all the guns.

I am usually pretty isolationist in my thinking but I really wish the US would have already invaded.

Millions of young Persians who are absolutely no different than you or I. It is now or never. If the regime can put down this uprising it is going to be hard to form another uprising for a long long time.

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Post by dragonelite »

weikju wrote: post #2

… while every other country waits to see how it goes while drafting plans to emulate this

The global cybersphere will split up, the west and other parties have shown they will use social media networks to organize regime change and take over legitimate protests.

Especially now that China is taking an ever increasing share of the global information streams. Given the increased panicked the US had about tiktok. Showing the result of the western sponsored genocide in Gaza. They had to enforce ownership handover of tiktok US to a group of US based entities.

So i wouldn't be surprised US internet sphere will shrink over time now that China can go on the offensive in the cyber-realm.. The components are already in place just pull the switch so cloudflare has to regulate who gets in and who gets out.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by Nursie »

DrScientist wrote: post #244
Nursie wrote: post #230

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Sure, and his treatment has been awful in so many ways. I'm honestly not trying to defend any action by any state in this thread, I'm not trying to say that the UK is better than any other state. I'm not trying to make any point at all beyond using a specific example in agreeing with the comments above mine that "Everything is the same and comparable never mind how hyperbolic." But it seems to be construed as if I am…

The problem is you have to fight for these things every generation. It's a mistake to take things like trial by jury, open justice ( not secret courts ), non-arbitrary detention, even regular elections for granted. I totally agree with you that the UK is not Iran and there is too much hyperbole - but at the same time the current government is trying to criminalise legitimate protest, cancelling elections and trying t…

Tell me about it, that Jury thing in particular was shocking to hear, that they’re considering throwing aside an ancient right in the name of expediency and clearing a backlog, as if it was a minor detail and not the basis of the system of justice.
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