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Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by skhameneh »

jadenpeterson wrote: post #50
skhameneh wrote: post #39

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This does read/interpret a bit odd, because the Hummer H2 doesn’t strike me as a reliable vehicle and I’ve generally heard of them to be cost sinks (completely disregarding the horrible efficiency). Why not start off looking at the cheapest EV or PHEV that you can find without high mileage that’ll fit your daily driving habits, then give it a test drive? Consider how much monthly expenses will cost (might save ~90% o…

Yeah it's not the... best. I bought it kind of on a lark, and the sunk cost made me reluctant to let go it. Any brand recommendations? I'm really not one for 'smart' features, though I know they're kind of intrinsic to electric vehicles.

For cheap, the 2018 and later Nissan Leafs (old tech) or an Ariya (new tech, nothing notably exciting.

Maybe also check out Ioniq 5, EV6, Equinox, etc.

FWIW, my wife drives a Mach-E and I drive a Fisker Ocean. The Mach-E is very comfortable but tends to be a bit higher in price than some other options. The Fisker Ocean is.. (from what you’ve said) probably not for you.

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Post by onion2k »

fooker wrote: post #236
melenaboija wrote: post #166

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> Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. It’s done man. Americans are stuck in ICE engines because they’ve been told they’re “car enthusiasts” while the Chinese have been developing EV technology for years. Meanwhile, European makers are stuck not knowing what to do, make Americans happy or compete w…

> And let’s be real, “car enthusiasts” are going to disappear in one or two generations. Not sure if you have realized this, but we have a pretty decent numbers of horse enthusiasts now.

Sure, but compared to an era when horses were used as a practical form of transport the number is effectively zero. Horses are a novelty that wealthy people play with. ICE cars will go the same way.

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Post by skhameneh »

skhameneh wrote: post #251
jadenpeterson wrote: post #50

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Yeah it's not the... best. I bought it kind of on a lark, and the sunk cost made me reluctant to let go it. Any brand recommendations? I'm really not one for 'smart' features, though I know they're kind of intrinsic to electric vehicles.

For cheap, the 2018 and later Nissan Leafs (old tech) or an Ariya (new tech, nothing notably exciting. Maybe also check out Ioniq 5, EV6, Equinox, etc. FWIW, my wife drives a Mach-E and I drive a Fisker Ocean. The Mach-E is very comfortable but tends to be a bit higher in price than some other options. The Fisker Ocean is.. (from what you’ve said) probably not for you.

Also, a less efficient option with less “tech” would be a Silverado WT (work truck), those have a lot of range and sometimes you can find them for good used prices. Those are a hit or miss for deals because the MSRP is on the higher end.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

pear01 wrote: post #221
nielsbot wrote: post #213

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Interesting that Canada agreed to break with the US on EV tariffs. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46648778 It's limited but I feel like Canada aligning themselves at all with China over the US is an interesting development.

It's a good point but imo not really surprising when the President of the United States essentially threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. This is classic multipolar politics, trade the two behemoths against each other so they don't roll over one day and just squish you. By alienating Canada and Europe we've handed China a great gift.

It's only getting started. Do you think Europe is going to use American networking equipment when America has shown that it will use its military against Europe? American grid technology?

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Post by IrishTechie »

msy wrote: post #192
protocolture wrote: post #188

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>Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. I thought we were there already tbh. Chinese cars have gone from laughably bad to quality parity in less than a decade. Like even 2 years ago, I was still hearing "the paint the paint" as the last remaining issue. But I dont hear that anymore.

Parity? Their EVs are streets ahead, doubly so for the price.

Other than price, in what ways are they streets ahead? I’m a bit of an EV nerd and that would not be my assessment at all. Unfortunately for Western manufacturers price/volume is probably the most important thing right now, so they are still in serious trouble.

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Post by joe_mamba »

nostromo wrote: post #214
pear01 wrote: post #206

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Yes, not to mention the fact that Chinese EVs can't be sold here... protectionism for weak American companies that can't compete globally. We've gone from an automotive superpower and the land of Henry Ford to the government propping up automakers and depriving Americans of free choice. If Chinese cars would actually be allowed to sold here they would sell like Toyota Camrys.

Until very recently, tariffs on American cars sold in China were much higher than vice-versa. The new US tariffs were an attempt to even the playing field. I think most people would agree that no tariffs would be good, but China is more protectionist than any other major economy, including recent changes in US policy.

> but China is more protectionist than any other major economy, including recent changes in US policy.

Not true. China let Tesla set up shop in the backyard of their domestic EV industry, WITHOUT the mandatory by law 51% Chinese ownership, precisely so Tesla would light a fire under the asses of domestic players, forcing them to compete better with what was at the time, the pinnacle EV brand.

China is no longer beating us with protectionism but with innovation and manufacturing. People better wake up.

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Post by IrishTechie »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #111
nxm wrote: post #5

The key part is electrified and not pure electric.

I never understood the big push for full EVs over hybrid. Roughly speaking, a hybrid gets double the MPG of an ICE car, and a BEV gets double the MPGe of a hybrid. But BEVs require you to add a plug to your garage to get a rapid refuel, when your whole neighborhood gets them it strains the grid, you are range limited, etc... My hunch is there are some laws or regs somewhere that kept hybrids from really taking off (o…

I rented a hybrid recently while my car was in for a service. Picked it up, drove home (25 mins on motorway) then returned it the next day. It spent all of that time burning petrol while popping up notices about all the reasons it couldn’t use electricity right now (too cold, too fast etc).

All ICE cars should have been hybrid from 5-10 years ago but it is a stepping stone we should already be stepping off.

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Post by protocolture »

maldev wrote: post #223
protocolture wrote: post #188

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>Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. I thought we were there already tbh. Chinese cars have gone from laughably bad to quality parity in less than a decade. Like even 2 years ago, I was still hearing "the paint the paint" as the last remaining issue. But I dont hear that anymore.

Have you ever ridden in a BYD? It's super loud, horrible suspension, seats are extremely uncomfy, everything is cheap with a fancy looking facade. If you need a car to go from point A - B and can't afford any luxury, it's fine. But it's a bare minimum vehicle with looks to appeal to status.

Havent ridden in a BYD, but I absolutely abhor the Tesla interior, its like riding around in a rickety iPad.

BYD's seem (super subjective) to make less road noise outside of the vehicle. I still get snuck up on by them in car parks, but I have tuned in to the Tesla hum and can hear them a while off.

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Post by ssl-3 »

linksnapzz wrote: post #116
light_hue_1 wrote: post #87

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Nothing to do with quality. It's all image. When Americans discover again how crappy their cars are compared to what's available elsewhere, like we did with Japan, there will be a reckoning once more. And again American cars will become the laughing stock they really are. In the meantime, this incredibly short sighted protectionism will end just like the last round did. Further hollowing out our industrial base and p…

>When Americans discover again how crappy their cars are compared to what's >available elsewhere, like we did with Japan No, that's not what happened. Japanese manufacturers made cars in the US, to match US tastes. Japanese cars as sold in Japan, were not models Americans would buy. >In the meantime, this incredibly short sighted protectionism will end just like >the last round did. It'll end with...Chinese cars made…

That's not the history that I recall. Let's look at Honda, just as an example.

Honda started selling cars in the US in 1970, with their quirky, tiny, Japan-made N600.

The Civic didn't happen until 1973, and it was also a Japanese-built car. Bigger than the N600 but still very small by American standards, it was the right car at the right time for the oil crisis the US was beginning to face. They sold a lot of Civics to Americans, despite the strong anti-Japanese sentiment around that time.

It wasn't until 1982 that Honda started building cars in the States, with the introduction of the Honda plant in Marysville, Ohio that began building Accords.

But even then: They still didn't build all of the USDM Accords in Marysville; many were still built in Japan and imported. It took additional years for the transition to fully occur.

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That's 12 years from the time that they started selling cars in the US, to the time when they began to build their US-market cars in the US.

(If 12 years sounds like a short period of time, remember: We've only had the Tesla Model 3 for about 9 years now.)

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Post by Tommix11 »

hnburnsy wrote: post #86
King-Aaron wrote: post #23

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On this note: It was recently reported that Electrified vehicles in general outsold conventional ICE powered vehicles in Australia, claiming it has reached a 'tipping point' with consumers: https://www.drive.com.au/news/electrified-vehicles-have-offi...

Consumers don't realize they are getting the worst of both worlds with added weight, complexity, repairs, inefficiency, and costs along with potential reliability (ex-Toyota) Not to mention studies that show PHEV owners frequently don't plug in.

My Outlander rarely needed repairs and I always plugged it in. The car even complained about me needing to use the gazoline in the tank because it risked getting old in the tank and needed to be replaced. That was a great car. My new EV, a Subaru Solterra is great too though.
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