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‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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> 1) You don't deport them, you don't ignore them, you document them. Then you let them live their lives. They're people, not a mold outgrowth that needs culling. I don't think that's a policy that would get majoritarian support in the US. The only people who can and should get deported are those who are not already not authorized to be here. If you don't deport them, it's functionally equivalent to an open-borders p…

> Because open-borders is how you get more MAGA. Pretending that immigrants are the underlying cause of every societal failure is how you get MAGA. Enabling that big lie bolsters it. And I don't think I can enumerate the ways in which an occupied house are different from a country and unsuitable for the metaphor you're trying.

> Pretending that immigrants are the underlying cause of every societal failure is how you get MAGA. Enabling that big lie bolsters it.

What are you going to do, win elections by lecturing everyone about how they're wrong and they need to think just like you? People thought the Biden administration's immigration policy was too lax, and that was a major contributing cause to the second Trump term.

Deporting people who are in the country illegally is a no brainer. If you don't want that, get the law changed. Until then, it's not wrong to deport them.

Now, that doesn't mean deportation should be the only or even the main method of immigration enforcement (personally, I like the idea of putting more burden on employers).

> And I don't think I can enumerate the ways in which an occupied house are different from a country and unsuitable for the metaphor you're trying.

Oh of course, it's always too different if you want it to be. That way, you can continue to feel righteous.

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Contractor makes sense, consultant is a bit weird because the typical understanding is that a consultant comes in to share knowledge, not build product.

Then you're not familiar with software consultancy because that's exactly what they do.

Ah ok then let’s just call them contractors because that’s what exactly what they do.

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So it's literally the Elvish word for "television"...

Telescope, not television.

And more particularly, any remaining telescope after an apocalypse which caused all of them to be controlled and by a mind-destroying superhuman force of literal evil incarnate.

One can't just ignore that kind of subtext...

Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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To tech leaders and hiring managers at other companies: If you're reading this, please consider publicly stating that your company will interview Palantir engineers who want to exit on moral grounds. Create an explicit off-ramp. Lower the barrier to leaving. Make it a tech industry norm that we offer refuge to engineers trying to do the right thing.

Why shouldn't I do quite the opposite? I don't want people with a questionable morale who knowingly built those systems work in my company

Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Why have we all lost the ability to think in a nuanced way? It’s very disturbing to witness, particularly on a forum like HN, ostensibly populated by smart people. It’s possible to simultaneously believe that ICE has a clear and ethical mandate while also believing that they are going about fulfilling that mandate via bad methods that need to change. It’s possible to simultaneously believe that people shouldn’t be ma…

> believing that an immigration queue should exist and skipping it is immoral and should be illegal.

Honestly, There is no queue for poor people, this is their only way, most of these people aren't even eligible for farm worker temp visa. US has created bureaucracy over the years in such a way that these people can never become legal. They are not skipping the line and taking some tech worker's spot or anything.

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> they purposefully named themselves after a super villains magical spy apparatus… Worse, that spy apparatus inherently corrupts its users .

That's a common misunderstanding. The Palantir never corrupted anyone. They only became dangerous to use once Sauron got his hands on one. You know, that immortal demon god who always uses mind control to get what he wants? If you use a Palantir he’ll notice and start working you over. If he is stronger than you are then he can force your Palantir to show you things of his choosing. When Denethor used Gondor’s Palant…

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At this point where the brownshirts are openly attacking civil society - driving their vehicles into protestors, crashing into other motorists, abducting citizens and lawfully present immigrants, murdering uppity women in the street, and even escalating their violent attacks after citizens speak out against them - it's patently obvious that "illegal immigration" is nothing more than a rallying cry for overt fascism, red in tooth and claw.

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Only an idiot will think all of this is about "illegals"; this is a whole infrastructure of mass surveillance and "rogue" police. They might be after specific targets now, but once it's fully normalized, you are next. From data collection and aggregation, the invasive surveillance like Flock and Ring, the use of AI and apps, it's being carefully planned and rolled out for such a mission. There should be a platform to…

If the government can track illegals who haven't interacted with government for 40 years and track them down to their house, you can imagine how fast they can track a tax paying citizen.

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The only issue would be logistics. Getting supporting infrastructure and housing set up. But yeah, ultimately. More hands, more consumers. Why wouldn't we want as many citizens as possible, we certainly have the land for it.

I wonder in such a case if more populous countries like India or China could in theory send over 100 million+ people to our country over the course of a decade, and then once those people are citizens, legally vote for the US to be annexed by China, etc.. You could conquer a country without a single shot fired.

Yeah, sure, if Chinese people were ants in a hivemind that strategy might work.
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