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Post by deepsun »

autoexec wrote: post #221
neilv wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I know from news articles is that some of them openly "escort", like some traditional porn stars did more quietly. The fame on the screen can be brand-building for the even more lucrative in-person work. As one said in a quote, regarding AI threat and crumbling economies: "The oldest profession will be the last profession." If some of them want to move to the US right now, from currently healthier countries, one…

The decline of the US means that there will be increasingly fewer deep-pocketed customers able to pay 5 figures for anything. Those who come to the US with enough money on the bank will have access to a lifestyle and experiences that are becoming more and more exclusive, which makes for great content for the peasant class to consume on their phones.

Conversely -- declining countries usually have a lot of deep-pocketed customers, and mind less of whether their crimes go public. They also tend to care less of spending money in wasteful ways, as those money were easily earned.

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Post by tehlike »

array_key_first wrote: post #247
tehlike wrote: post #241

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You would not have a lot of trouble with your kid trying to be best in basketball, or football, and make a name for it. I don't think the same would apply to OF or porn. Totally different things.

I mean, this is purely for socially constructed morality reasons. In actuality, both require you to sell your body, and both can have long standing health effects. If anything, I would say the typical OF model sells their body much less than an athlete. I mean, I don't think they're going to tear their ACL. And also, both offer no real tangible value to humanity. Sports do not produce anything, neither does porn, the…

Anything is a social construct.

I don't know if you'd want to marry a porn star, and if not, that should tell you what he difference is. This is one of those things which is "freedom" in theory but has many second order effects in practice.

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Post by tehlike »

testacc74 wrote: post #250
tehlike wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would not have a lot of trouble with your kid trying to be best in basketball, or football, and make a name for it. I don't think the same would apply to OF or porn. Totally different things.

You do aware of being best in sport and what I just said are hella two different things right? I wish my kids aware that *hell is other people*. Otherwise being a porn star or being a sport star makes not so much difference. Both can give you mental struggles and physical injuries. I think the another comment articulate it well too. Edit: And sure It's concerning that the society being shallow but OF and porn are jus…

Sports is not turning body into tradable good.

Sports is hard work, discipline, drive, often starting as a kid.

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Post by stackghost »

zer00eyz wrote: post #104
password54321 wrote: post #28

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...I get this is HN but come on. It is just modern day JasminCam for lonely men that are being exploited through parasocial relationships. It is the opposite of productive. You just have society feeding on itself.

There is a reason why "the oldest profession" is a polite idiom for prostitution. Calling it "parasocial", doesn't change what it is, but the technology as a mediator does. And society has been feeding on itself since we moved past hunter gatherers.

>There is a reason why "the oldest profession" is a polite idiom for prostitution.

The term only gained popularity at the start of the 1900s, it's a proto-meme

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Post by testacc74 »

tehlike wrote: post #253
testacc74 wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do aware of being best in sport and what I just said are hella two different things right? I wish my kids aware that *hell is other people*. Otherwise being a porn star or being a sport star makes not so much difference. Both can give you mental struggles and physical injuries. I think the another comment articulate it well too. Edit: And sure It's concerning that the society being shallow but OF and porn are jus…

Sports is not turning body into tradable good. Sports is hard work, discipline, drive, often starting as a kid.

Professional sports is. Difference between professional sports and sports is like prostitution/OF/porn and sex.

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Post by torginus »

autoexec wrote: post #221
neilv wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I know from news articles is that some of them openly "escort", like some traditional porn stars did more quietly. The fame on the screen can be brand-building for the even more lucrative in-person work. As one said in a quote, regarding AI threat and crumbling economies: "The oldest profession will be the last profession." If some of them want to move to the US right now, from currently healthier countries, one…

The decline of the US means that there will be increasingly fewer deep-pocketed customers able to pay 5 figures for anything. Those who come to the US with enough money on the bank will have access to a lifestyle and experiences that are becoming more and more exclusive, which makes for great content for the peasant class to consume on their phones.

I wouldn't prophesize the 'decline' of the US, but if you're sufficiently wealthy, the kind of services and lifestyle options (like living in a luxury apartment overlooking the sea, or decent medical care), is available in a lot of places nowadays.

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Post by xp84 »

Lord_Zero wrote: post #169
xp84 wrote: post #159

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Benefit to the person is probably a path to citizenship and more economic opportunities (especially since being a camgirl is a young person’s career with almost no long-term prospects) Benefit to the USA, being generous, is that those earnings of the camgirl may then be spent in the US instead of flowing overseas. At least some of it will. Critics would rightly point out though that importing thousands of camgirls in…

I would like to point out the long term prospects part may not be true for high earners. Some models make a senior software engineers annual salary in a matter of months. Many of these people can retire and live off investments at age 35.

Perfectly fair point! Although when I've seen OF stats published the median model makes like $1,000 a year or something. So I think if you took even the top 5,000 models out of the computation, most of them are not earning enough to pay for a nice lifestyle in the moment, let alone funding retirement by the time their beauty declines.

What I think is more likely to happen though with an immigrant OF model (who isn't in that elite earning tier) is that she meets a partner in the US, which affords her an exit strategy if she doesn't want to (or can't) keep doing OF forever.

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Post by testacc74 »

tehlike wrote: post #252
array_key_first wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, this is purely for socially constructed morality reasons. In actuality, both require you to sell your body, and both can have long standing health effects. If anything, I would say the typical OF model sells their body much less than an athlete. I mean, I don't think they're going to tear their ACL. And also, both offer no real tangible value to humanity. Sports do not produce anything, neither does porn, the…

Anything is a social construct. I don't know if you'd want to marry a porn star, and if not, that should tell you what he difference is. This is one of those things which is "freedom" in theory but has many second order effects in practice.

As much as I don't want to marry a porn star I don't want to marry a professional sports player. And you know what? Just because these people are allowed into a country doesn't mean the local residents want to marry them.(The reverse ironically works tho)

The point is either reject all of them or treat them all equally.

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Post by array_key_first »

tehlike wrote: post #252
array_key_first wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, this is purely for socially constructed morality reasons. In actuality, both require you to sell your body, and both can have long standing health effects. If anything, I would say the typical OF model sells their body much less than an athlete. I mean, I don't think they're going to tear their ACL. And also, both offer no real tangible value to humanity. Sports do not produce anything, neither does porn, the…

Anything is a social construct. I don't know if you'd want to marry a porn star, and if not, that should tell you what he difference is. This is one of those things which is "freedom" in theory but has many second order effects in practice.

I'd have no issue marrying a porn star, but maybe I'm strange. But, regardless, we don't qualify immigrants but how marry-able they are.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

dessimus wrote: post #205
t-3 wrote: post #191

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She's not really an "OnlyFans worker" in that case. OnlyFans is merely an advertising venue for an escort or prostitution service.

While possible to be for physical sex work, I think the previous commenter meant by meeting fans, would be like at a meet-and-greet at a Con, so they can further increase the parasocial relationship with the people giving them subscriptions, signing autographs. Also, they may be doing collabs with other content creators, just as comedians and actors will be on each others podcasts.

INA §212(a)(2)(D) renders inadmissible any alien who:

(i) is coming to the United States solely, principally, or incidentally to engage in prostitution, or has engaged in prostitution within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status,

(ii) directly or indirectly procures or attempts to procure, or (within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status) procured or attempted to procure or to import, prostitutes or persons for the purpose of prostitution, or receives or (within such 10-year period) received, in whole or in part, the proceeds of prostitution, or

(iii) is coming to the United States to engage in any other unlawful commercialized vice, whether or not related to prostitution

Obviously these people should be applying for EB-1s since that is the established visa program for prostitutes.

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